Will this problem be addressed in .8?

hall0 · Post by **hall0** » 2008-04-27 15:45

@bosco
Like the FH Devs did this? They have the same shaders in their version and no problems with this.

Just the PR Servers check for the shader stuff because we had the problem that the shaders/pr exe is easy to disable. Thats where all problem starts just fix this problem and we dont need the md5 checks and a lot off frustrated people are happy again.

@Dr2B Rudd
Fh had never this problem. At least not in the beta, because if there was a kid of that problem i recognized it.

Post by **bosco_** » 2008-04-27 15:51

I'm sure it would have been done if it was that easy

hall0 · Post by **hall0** » 2008-04-27 16:08

Never said it would be easy but why it works on a other mod and here we have such a problem with it?

Post by **Rudd** » 2008-04-27 16:13

[R-PUB]bosco wrote:I'm sure it would have been done if it was that easy

Still, could som1 collate all the md5 fixes that have been suggested in to one thread and sticky it please?

Sabre_tooth_tigger · Post by **Sabre_tooth_tigger** » 2008-04-27 16:18

How often are you getting kicked, its only like every couple days for me

maz.uk · Post by **maz.uk** » 2008-04-27 16:33

'[R-MOD wrote:Masaq;663531']Not really. T&T always play other games; currently we're into Lock On and Raven Shield alongside our PR.

Why would anyone ever play only one game? That's gauranteeing that you're going to get fed up with it eventually.

Variety is the spice of life; don't blame the game for becoming boring, blame your clan members for not enjoying a varied gaming diet

no one said we play just one game (cod4/medal of honor/poe/op/crysis) but pr is our main game for teamwork the point is that its gone stale and getting very very hard to find a good game clans do talk to each other and we all say the same, the devs work hard and do great things but some of us think its going astray from a game to a sim

ReaperMAC · Post by **ReaperMAC** » 2008-04-27 16:46

maz.uk wrote:one of the big reasons with my guys is the bullet deviation system now its turned pr to run and gun with prone dive (vanila),before 0.7 you played slower and with care and your shots hit not like now, were a trained soilder cant hit a guy in the back from 50 yards with out them turning and rolling around and killing you with one shot ,we to have been looking at other games to move onto, i have played pr for several years now and never seen the server so empty i realy hope 0.8 brings back the buzz to pr and soon

I just have to say, I loled at this post....

Also, I have NEVER had any problems with the MD5 shader. There have been many threads about fixing it, have you atleasted tried them all?

3===SPECTER===3 · Post by **3===SPECTER===3** » 2008-04-27 16:50

I get kicked everygame i join at random times.

And the only reason FH2 doesn't have this problem is because they dont do MD5 checks like PR. why can't the DEVs take away the checks and maybe make it so that when you join PR via the communuty tab, PR simply won't start up. I remember i tried to use battledirector with .75 and it gave be a sign that said i must activate via the PR.exe and the sign never goes away. Why can't we make this sign pop up everytime somebody attempts to access it the incorrect way?

ReaperMAC · Post by **ReaperMAC** » 2008-04-27 16:53

3===SPECTER===3 wrote: And the only reason FH2 doesn't have this problem is because they dont do MD5 checks like PR. why can't the DEVs take away the checks and maybe make it so that when you join PR via the communuty tab, PR simply won't start up. I remember i tried to use battledirector with .75 and it gave be a sign that said i must activate via the PR.exe and the sign never goes away. Why can't we make this sign pop up everytime somebody attempts to access it the incorrect way?

Because, if you start up PR without the shader, that is considered cheating because you have a bigger advantage than everyone else without the suppression system.

3===SPECTER===3 · Post by **3===SPECTER===3** » 2008-04-27 16:56

I know that MAC, but my idea is to make it that the game won't start via the community tab, you would jest get a message telling you to activate it by the PR.exe

M4nicMin3r · Post by **M4nicMin3r** » 2008-04-27 17:37

ReaperMAC wrote:I just have to say, I loled at this post....

Also, I have NEVER had any problems with the MD5 shader. There have been many threads about fixing it, have you atleasted tried them all?

I lol'd at your post too..,just because yoru view is different and just because you dont have problems doesnt mean they dont exhist

ReaperMAC · Post by **ReaperMAC** » 2008-04-27 18:04

M4nicMin3r wrote:I lol'd at your post too..,just because yoru view is different and just because you dont have problems doesnt mean they dont exhist

Never said they don't exist, please read the post slowly and you might get somewhere

I was just stating that I never had the problem in response to this quote:

hall0 wrote:Bosco than you are the only guy who had never problems with the great bf2 server browser

maz.uk · Post by **maz.uk** » 2008-04-27 18:14

iv no probs with shader works fine for me ,wot people are saying is why have a problem thats not helping the pr community would be better to lose it than lose a lot more players ,every clan member reading this will have had some guy in there clan that has no idea about pcs and have had to help them , things like teamspeak or ventrilo easy for us guys that no wot to do ,so md5 kicks will fully mash there heads

arn354 · Post by **arn354** » 2008-04-27 18:27

For FH2 there are exactly the same checks available - in FH2 you get aswell an advantage if you don't use FH2.exe to start FH2.
FH2 serveradmins just don't care about people not using FH2 the correct way - thats all.

FH2 does nothing better or worser then PR - they do exactly the same with their startup executable - technically.

People who now have issues with PR would have them aswell with FH2 and if FH2 would have serveradmins caring about a fair game like in PR.
And FH2 is by far not so much played then PR - so less people having problems - so don't compare FH2 with PR in that case.

The checks just recognize that something on your computer does not work 100% correct - there is no way around.

why can't the DEVs take away the checks

Because there are two kind of people:
1.) People having a problem on their computer they are not aware of - poor boys.
2.) People exploiting PR on purpose to have an advantage over all other players - cheaters.

If you remove the checks both 1.)& 2.) can play again on the servers.

Since introduction of the checks there are no more complaints from normal players that other players rule them, using no supression-effect for example - so the majority of the PR-Players are happy again.

To all people having problems - just fix them, so you don't have an advantage towards other players on accident or on purpose.

3===SPECTER===3 · Post by **3===SPECTER===3** » 2008-04-27 20:01

arn354 wrote:
Because there are two kind of people:
1.) People having a problem on their computer they are not aware of - poor boys.
2.) People exploiting PR on purpose to have an advantage over all other players - cheaters.

Ok i didn't say simply remove the checks... if you read Furthur, i said that we remove them AND we try to make it so anyone activating PR the wrong way gets a screen that tellls them to "press 'Esc' and activate via PR.exe or shortcut" or something along the lines like that... this way, people who play fair don't get booted and the people attempting to cheat are turned around.

arn354 wrote:Since introduction of the checks there are no more complaints from normal players that other players rule them, using no supression-effect for example - so the majority of the PR-Players are happy again.

does this mean that people unfortunate enough to get kicked are left to fend for themselves no matter how computer literate they are?

Post by **Rudd** » 2008-04-27 20:15

I find it odd that people who don't have the above problem and don't have a solution are even posting here, if you don't have something nice to say...

The point of the op was to see if the devs are going to modify the suppression effect in a way to prevent people who are currently having difficulties having this problem. And that front isn't looking as enlightening as we'd hoped. This problem is a game killer, we're trying all avenues of sorting it out.

Zimmer · Post by **Zimmer** » 2008-04-27 20:24

I cant understand why people get kicked for md5tool I just dled a upgrade program for pb and then it updated the pb on Bf2 and I was rid of the problem. People are just lazy.

3===SPECTER===3 · Post by **3===SPECTER===3** » 2008-04-27 20:29

Zimmer wrote:I cant understand why people get kicked for md5tool I just dled a upgrade program for pb and then it updated the pb on Bf2 and I was rid of the problem. People are just lazy.

Like ive said before Zimmer, its different fixes for everybody. Ive already updated PB and reinstalled and repatched and blah blah blah. and yet ive still got problems. But I guess im just lazy.