That sounds more promising. But going prone is not a x or y value, is it? Rather... z?Wolfe wrote:just discovered there are separate values for x and y axis, meaning you can make moving forward while scoped accurate, but make strafing inaccurate.
..testing further..
sadly not, no. Thats whats been tried first.Would it be possible to have delay on firing when entering the prone position, like when you warm up the mounted machinguns?
If this was possible, it would have been done back in v0.25JT1990 wrote:Would it be possible to have delay on firing when entering the prone position, like when you warm up the mounted machinguns?
agree with the above.'[R-MOD wrote:Masaq;667487']Hmmm.
I suspect the law of unintended consequences would come into play here. In theory, it sounds excellent - everything that the mod needs.
In practice, it makes clearing buildings completely impossible if the defender can keep far enough away from grenades being chucked through doors, windows etc.
In practice, it means that instead of prone diving the next best thing in close quarters will be to run around street corners and wait for your target to follow you; because they'll be unable to shoot you at all as they come around.
In practice, it makes it likely that public play will crawl to a virtual standstill as the majority of players take to high positions and stay still in order to wrack up kills instead of getting bodies onto flags to capture them.
I'd love to be proved wrong, but I can really see this being detrimimental as the suggestion currently stands - and it's just as unrealistic as prone diving. Soliders can fire semi-accurate shots whilst moving slowly. It's not ideal, sure, but it beats standing completely still.
In short, this would completely reduce combat to "whoever sees the other guy first". Two people moving, first guy to lift his finger off the move button will win the engagement - not the best shot.
You are only describing a scenario where you have a stationary defender and a prone spamming attacker. What about two people moving, not quite at point blank but a close to medium range? If anything, increasing the ObjectTemplate.deviation.setSpeedDev maximum deviation values, the rate at which the values come to a maximum and significantly increasing the reduction after moving will increase the spam in that situation.Wolfe wrote:What if you could 100% eliminate prone spam?
What if you could 100% eliminate run'n gun?
You can:
By increasing the movement deviation while proportionally increasing the rate at which it narrows to a point.
Thoughts?
Negative. We have already tested that with promising results.'[R-CON wrote:nedlands1;667661']You are only describing a scenario where you have a stationary defender and a prone spamming attacker. What about two people moving, not quite at point blank but a close to medium range? If anything, increasing the ObjectTemplate.deviation.setSpeedDev maximum deviation values, the rate at which the values come to a maximum and significantly increasing the reduction after moving will increase the spam in that situation.
Really the only feasible suggestion for solving this (amongst other problems) is to dump the BF2 engine and migrate into BF2142.
Results which are? Under what conditions? People who have been told what the weapon handling dynamics are and how they should react or people who have been playing under these conditions for a period of time and have subsequently developed their own tactics?Wolfe wrote:Negative. We have already tested that with promising results.
Not feasible at all, unless there are already efforts to do this, which I highly doubt.
In hindsight, I never should have posted this idea until all the coding was smoothed out.
Right on the money, stop screwing with my shooting ability. Prone spam is in the game until we get a new engine just deal with it.[R-MOD]Masaq wrote:
In short, this would completely reduce combat to "whoever sees the other guy first". Two people moving, first guy to lift his finger off the move button will win the engagement - not the best shot.
This is exactly how the game plays now, isn't it? Accuracy is so precise that whoever sees the the other guy first, wins. And the best shot? Moving the cursor over the player then pressing the fire button 3 times per second hardly defines who is the best shooter. That's just twitch vanilla bf2 style.In short, this would completely reduce combat to "whoever sees the other guy first". Two people moving, first guy to lift his finger off the move button will win the engagement - not the best shot.
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