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[IAJTHOMAS]

a medic is only a medic in this sence if he does not carry a rifle and only then he is also allowed to have a red cross on his helmet

Art. 22. The following conditions shall not be considered as depriving a medical unit or establishment of the protection guaranteed by Article 19: (1) That the personnel of the unit or establishment are armed, and that they use the arms in their own defence, or in that of the wounded and sick in their charge.

Its like, 2 post above yours...

[AirCasper]

Masaq;678469']They wouldn't; an automatic external defib actually speaks to you.

You turn it on, and this disembodied voice speaks to you telling you what to do.

It tells you to apply the pads to the patient's chest, then to stand clear while it analyses the heart rhythym of the patient.

Then it either tells you to start with CPR, or allow you to administer a shock. The AED operator then tells everybody to stand clear (as well as the AED telling them to) and then it says "press button to deliver shock". You press the button, it says "Shocking" and delivers a charge.

Then it re-analyses the heart rhythym, and will either have suceeded in regaining a normal heartbeat or the atrial fibrilation will have resisted the shock, in which case it tells the operator to re-begin chest compressions and rescue breaths for two cycles (usually) and then it'll start over - request you stop CPR while it reanalyses and decides whether or not to shock again.

Thanks, Dr2B Rudd cleared it up for me in PM

now my only question is..

It seems the AED you speak of is for civilian medical use; in case your everyday joe comes into a situation where he needs to use it.


does the Military use the same equipment? (a machine that speaks you through everything)

If so, it would be neat to see in game.


I would also like to see Medics carry morphine. If there is not enough room.. maybe get rid of the medic's knife?

the system of reviving someone could be a little more complicated (to show realism)


to bring back from critically wounded

Refib a person (maybe cpr as stated above) > Morphine shot > Field Dressing to close the wound


to heal a severely injured person (bleeding out)

Morphine Shot > Field Dressing

and for a wounded person, just a field dressing.



I would like to see the field dressings take a little longer also.

it takes a bit of time to put the pad on and wrap and tie the bandage around the area.

[.:iGi:.NinjaJedi]

i imagine that would be a heck of a lot of code for that to work properly...

[Smegburt_funkledink]

the system of reviving someone could be a little more complicated (to show realism)


to bring back from critically wounded

Refib a person (maybe cpr as stated above) > Morphine shot > Field Dressing to close the wound


to heal a severely injured person (bleeding out)

Morphine Shot > Field Dressing

and for a wounded person, just a field dressing.



I would like to see the field dressings take a little longer also.

it takes a bit of time to put the pad on and wrap and tie the bandage around the area.

There's been a couple times I've tried to revive someone under covering fire, noticing their body is glitched into the floor or an object. I needed to throw a field dressing or two to dislodge them whilst keeping my head down, then defib them. Only then, of course, could I start to heal them and the whole ordeal had taken over a minute. (doesn't sound like long but it is for BF, it should take a couple mins at least IMO)

Even though it may have been a tougher job, it was more fun and my efforts were more apreciated. I feel that medics are under apreciated and their role is a bit dumbed-down in game. Im sure no matter how realistic it's made in-game, Rudd & Masaq can handle it.

[Rudd]

Even though it may have been a tougher job, it was more fun and my efforts were more apreciated. I feel that medics are under apreciated and their role is a bit dumbed-down in game. Im sure no matter how realistic it's made in-game, Rudd & Masaq can handle it.

I'm touched

and BTW, ur sig rocks!

[Hfett]

combat medics, with full combat gear are diferent from a dude all in white without klevar vest/helmet/rifle.

You should not shot the ones all in white without combat gear (or at least say it was an acident if you do shot), but the combat medics with full gear you can kill without thinking twice =P

[WNxKenwayy]

Combat Medicine:
Apply tourniquet.
Rush to nearest Evac/hospital.

That's about it. Time taken giving care is vastly better spent getting the soldier to the nearest actual care center.

[LtSoucy]

A unarmed medic cant be shot.(And there wearing white, as hfett said) A Combat Medic(PR medic) can be shot at due to he fires a gun and is not white.

[Smegburt_funkledink]

I'm touched

and BTW, ur sig rocks!

thanx, I'm impressed with your Photoshop skills too!

A bit of animation wouldn't hurt

On topic tho, ^ Hfett & LtSoucy just summed this thread up ^ imo.

[Scot]

Generally if a bloke gets shot SO severely as in critically wounded in PR, they would have to be Medevaced to base.

[IAJTHOMAS]

A unarmed medic cant be shot.(And there wearing white, as hfett said) A Combat Medic(PR medic) can be shot at due to he fires a gun and is not white.

This, as far as i can make out, is misconceptioon

. Combat medic CAN carry guns for self defence and still be protected by the Geneva Convention, they DO NOT have to wear white to under its protection. A red cross/Sickle is required to be worn.

If however, they use their guns offensively they forfeit this protection

[[=TC=]nuetron]

Under the Geneva Convention, It is a crime to shoot an UNARMED medic, but when the medic has a K-Bar(not surgical knife) an *assault rifle here* and grenades........

I REALLY don't think that it is a war crime t shoot that guy looking at you, especially if(you don't see the knife, and grenades) you see an assault rifle slung over his shoulder and you see the look in his eyes as the adrenaline rushing through his body and he is about to make a move....that move could be to grab his *assault rifle here*.

so no.

[IAJTHOMAS]

nuetron;678771']Under the Geneva Convention, It is a crime to shoot an UNARMED medic, but when the medic has a K-Bar(not surgical knife) an *assault rifle here* and grenades........

For the last time, this is UTTER BOLLOCKS!

Per Art 22 of the First Geneva Convention:

Art. 22. The following conditions shall not be considered as depriving a medical unit or establishment of the protection guaranteed by Article 19:
(1) That the personnel of the unit or establishment are armed, and that they use the arms in their own defence, or in that of the wounded and sick in their charge.

Source: International Humanitarian Law - First 1949 Geneva Convention

Edit: I'm not saying this should be implmented in to PR, how would the game tell when a target took a hostile action and became legal?

[HughJass]

When ever I shoot medics I feel bad, it seems like their bodies seem to "bounce" around more.

[Spec]

Lets just say magicaly reviving someone from 0 to 100 in a few seconds is a hostile action

[Masaq]

Combat Medicine:
Apply tourniquet.
Rush to nearest Evac/hospital.

That's about it. Time taken giving care is vastly better spent getting the soldier to the nearest actual care center.

No morphine styrettes or epipens? I'm surprised, I gotta say. Assumed there'd be pain reflief available at least.

[Alexis]

The rules taught are:

Medics get to carry a small arm in self defence, they don't shoot first. A medic is commiting a contravention of the Geneva convention of they participate in the battle.

We don't shoot medics because its the done thing, that way the enemy is not tempted to do the same - Islamic insurgents aren't standing armies and as such don't tend to any 'rules of war', plus they don't see westerners as human however so they will shoot medics.

Thirdly the Cross on the Red Cross symbol is that of the Swiss flag with inverted colours, representing the medics neutrality in war as Swizerland does. The red sickle is an islamic over-reaction thinking that the cross is that of the christians, in their world everything is to do with religion.

Padres will have their religious denomination on them somewhere, there are no rules covering their operation, they will engage in combat but are not trained to give medical aid other than basic first aid (FFD etc).


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Next, first aid in the british Army consists of;
Apply FFD from the woundeds top-left pocket
Apply tourniquet if needed - write time of application on forehead.
Give morphine if required, when required.
Get medic...

Happy discussing

[maarit]

so,no scope to medics rifle?,i guess.
and is the assault rifle correct weapon to medic?

[Rudd]

so,no scope to medics rifle?,i guess.
and is the assault rifle correct weapon to medic?

Here is a medic with the SA80.

[WNxKenwayy]

Our medics carried the same weapons we did.

We don't use morphine unless the danger of shock is greater than the danger of adding morphine. Giving morphine to someone whose bleeding out (number one cause of battlefield death) is a no no.