AK 47 Disadvantages

[Cyrax-Sektor]

The militia officer has an AK-101, same with Ins. officer...

Not true. Insurgent Officers (known as Cell Leaders) have an AK-47 with GP-25 UGL. I've seen guys use the GL like a mortar on thebattlearena.

[Sabre_tooth_tigger]

The militia officer has an AK-101, same with Ins. officer...

Ins off gets the 47 it says

[Psyko]

Ins off gets the 47 it says

yup and the recoil is lower on it than the other Aks which is cool. i like it a heck load more than the other AKs which are as untameable as a wild boar on cocaine.

[Waaah_Wah]

Guys he said militia officer not insurgent cell leader. And the militia offer gets the AK 101

[GR34]

The AK-101 fires 5.56 and the AK-74 fired 5.45 Right?
The Cell leaders UGL is a very good make-shift mortar for when UK forces are in the open it makes them stop and take cover so the rest of your squad has time to surround them and bring all hell down apon them. IT is also very effective at killing a land rover Crew.

[sector7g]

Like this video hasn't been posted a hundred times and been proclaimed as the bible by its many posters.

Not a bible but a starting point, Some real time evidence........

[Gunwing]

Um................ The AK-47 is not utter **** like you US Army fanboys claim. It's been proven that the Video posted was staged to make the US M16A1 look good. Also note the date it was posted.

If you did that test with the more modern M16A4/A2 models you would See a major difference: That AK-47 was in utter **** condition to start with, A pick up item no less you can't claim thats how they all are from that one video.

Stats are as fallows:

1. M16A4 as 12 parts, AK-47 has 4

2. M16A4 is built tight and not stamped out, AK-47s are built lose and stamped out for easyer manufacturing, and thus less prone to jamming.

3. M16A4 uses an older powder in the bullets it fires, the AK-47 uses the same powder in larger ammounts, and thus has greater top speed out of the barrel. Also the newer model Ak-74Ms have a longer barrel, and muzzle suppressor to keep the weapon from climbing too much on fully automatic.

4. The M16A4 while looks cooler, and is more high tech lacks the relability of the AK-47 all AK-47s are draged through tough salt flat sands and fired in Russia before shipments without cleaning of any kind and always work, if not it's sent back to the factory for a build check. They then clean them off and ship them out.

5. AK-47s always fire even if negleted: unless the person dose not peace the gun together right it will always fire. Even the Military Channel said the AK-47 is the gun they all wan't when the world comes to an end.

I think that speaks for it's self. To top it all off the AK-47 and it's brothers are directly responsable for over 24 billion deaths sence it's introduction to the battlefeild. It's used as a symbol in miltias and as a symbol of rebellion not because it's low tech and looks good on a flag, but do to the fact it endurs the changes in the world and keeps on pare with more modern and complex weapons.

[Teek]

Russians state that AK clones made illegally can be quite crappy and the Russian army issue Ak is at a much higher standard than clones. Clones, btw, are more likely to be in the hands of insurgents due to being made in the region (pakistan) and are much cheaper (they are built by hand)

[IAJTHOMAS]

are much cheaper (they are built by hand)

Usually makes stuff more expensive, they should be marketing them as high quailty tailored AKs

[Symplify]

Get within 50 meters and do what I do as insurgent; use one magazine on full auto for one kill. Works great as officer, plus you get the GP-25. One nade 1+ kills

[nedlands1]

Stats are as fallows:

1. M16A4 as 12 parts, AK-47 has 4

This is ****. The bolt assembly of a M16A2 has more 12 parts (Source: http://www.biggerhammer.net/manuals/pdf ... 319-23.pdf, Figure C-3 to C-4).

3. M16A4 uses an older powder in the bullets it fires, the AK-47 uses the same powder in larger ammounts, and thus has greater top speed out of the barrel. Also the newer model Ak-74Ms have a longer barrel, and muzzle suppressor to keep the weapon from climbing too much on fully automatic.

Your reasoning is intrinsically flawed. I shall use a counter example to illustrate why. If one takes a M1A2 Abrams tank which has an engine that can produce 1500 HP and weighs 69.54 Tons (Source: M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank) and compares it to almost any road going car, which is faster? The road going car of course. It doesn't weigh almost 70 tons and it is likely to have a power to weight ratio of two or more times that of the M1A2 Abrams.

The round a M16A4 fires (M855 & M856), like the road going car, is far lighter and more aerodynamic than a 7.62x39mm round. Despite the smaller amounts of powder, the 5.56mm round has, it actually travels faster (Source: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/weg2001.pdf, p27 and FM3-22.9 Chapter 2 Characteristics, Ammunition, And Accessories, Section 1).

4. The M16A4 while looks cooler, and is more high tech lacks the relability of the AK-47 all AK-47s are draged through tough salt flat sands and fired in Russia before shipments without cleaning of any kind and always work, if not it's sent back to the factory for a build check. They then clean them off and ship them out.

I'd love a source for this. I had a quick look at the Izhmash website and I could not find anything of the sort. A video I found (http://www.izhmash.ru/media/Small_arms_eng_XVid.avi) stated, "Izhmash quality control system guarantees high quality of the product. All the models undergo the strict tests according to the special methods. Low temperature tests, dust chamber tests, heavy rain chamber tests. This makes the manufacturer confident that the parts and components are in full conformity to the high operation and employment standards."

[Gunwing]

nedlands1;680436']This is ****. The bolt assembly of a M16A2 has more 12 parts (Source: http://www.biggerhammer.net/manuals/pdf ... 319-23.pdf, Figure C-3 to C-4).



Your reasoning is intrinsically flawed. I shall use a counter example to illustrate why. If one takes a M1A2 Abrams tank which has an engine that can produce 1500 HP and weighs 69.54 Tons (Source: M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank) and compares it to almost any road going car, which is faster? The road going car of course. It doesn't weigh almost 70 tons and it is likely to have a power to weight ratio of two or more times that of the M1A2 Abrams.

The round a M16A4 fires (M855 & M856), like the road going car, is far lighter and more aerodynamic than a 7.62x39mm round. Despite the smaller amounts of powder, the 5.56mm round has, it actually travels faster (Source: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/weg2001.pdf, p27 and FM3-22.9 Chapter 2 Characteristics, Ammunition, And Accessories, Section 1).



I'd love a source for this. I had a quick look at the Izhmash website and I could not find anything of the sort. A video I found (http://www.izhmash.ru/media/Small_arms_eng_XVid.avi) stated, "Izhmash quality control system guarantees high quality of the product. All the models undergo the strict tests according to the special methods. Low temperature tests, dust chamber tests, heavy rain chamber tests. This makes the manufacturer confident that the parts and components are in full conformity to the high operation and employment standards."

Good to see the developers site third party sorces for info these days. Why is it nobody sites real info?

I point you to the website that I get info from and the Websites that prove my point:

Ak-47
Modern Firearms - Kalashnikov AK-47 AKM Assault Rifle

M16
Modern Firearms - AR-15 M16 M16A1 M16A2 M16A3 assault rifle

Also note that this falls perficly in line with what I sated above, and that these snobs who claim the AK-47 is utter trash need to leave. Not everything US made is the best in the world and not everything that the UK makes is the best in the world ethier.

(Right wing US fire arms fanboys please leave the room)

Also I sight this here:

YouTube - Shooting Ak-47

This guy knows what the hell he is doing and you can see his AK-47 is in great shape unlike the video posted earler.

Also here:

AK-47
Military Channel :: Top Ten Combat Rifles

M16
Military Channel :: Top Ten Combat Rifles

I'm not saying that the AK-47 is better I'm just saying that to claim the M16 has better manufactureing, and better reliability is false. It's mroe complex and more fragile then the Ak-47 thus you should not boast about the M16A4 as the god of all assault rifles like the people in this thread do.

I also as a last thing site this:

top ten from Millitary channel:

YouTube - TOP 10:Combat Rifles - AK 47 (NO.1)

[nedlands1]

To start off, I am not a developer, merely a contributor. The word you are looking for is "cite" not "site". The information I have cited is either "from the horse's mouth" (in the case of the manuals) or from a reputable sources. Your "information" is not cited at all so who the hell do you think you are to make claims as, "Good to see the developers site third party sorces for info these days. Why is it nobody sites real info?". Saying "look here", giving half a dozen links and stating unequivocally that they prove your point, many posts after you present your original point, doesn't really cut it. A lot of the arguments you made we fallacious to begin with as substantiated by my former posts and duly ignored by you. I suggest you attempt to patch those holes up before creating new ones.

In closing, get your facts straight mate!

[Brummy]

For the love of god let's not have this descend into an M16 vs AK/any other rifle thread.

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