Increase the crew for the Black Hawk / UH-60

Post by **Rhino** » 2006-03-09 14:05

As we know, the black hawk holds way more ppl than just 6. I think it holds arround dobal that ammount but the Devs here will know for sure.

I think we would all like to see the black hawk hold much more crew and make it more realistic but then again, we could have 6 engineers with spanners sitting in the back repairing it.....

As the coders here know, its not hard to add passangers to a object but i aint 100% sure if 6 is the limmit or if it can take more. I would imagine that it would be posssibal to go over 6.

This is not a very hard thing to do as long as you dont run into any probs with a limmit of 6 ppl max, but if there is no limmit then it would be incredibaly easy to do and you could probaly do this in under 1hr tops.

What do you guys think about this and also dose any 1 have the excat specs for how manny ppl the blackhawk can take?

I found here that it can take a crew of three and can lift an entire 11-man fully-equipped infantry squad.

Zantetsuken · Post by **Zantetsuken** » 2006-03-09 14:17

good point

also, since the primary US force is the Marine Corp, maybe some of the maps with carriers in em (specificially anyway) should have the CH-53 "Sea Stallion" (or the "Pavelow" variant), its Marine equipment anyway, and we all know EA in all their brainyness put in tons of **** that the forces would never have. The wikipedia article claims IRL it has a crew of 4 and can carry 37 troops (or 24 stretchers) - obviously it wouldnt carry nearly this many ingame (the whole team on a 64 man server!).

Post by **Katarn** » 2006-03-09 14:46

Problem with in creasing the capacity of the blackhawk is that no one would want to be in it. As of now, blackhawks are usually filled with 3 people, pilot/gunner/gunner as being a passenger is too much of a liability with the APC's and tanks rolling around, not to mention the ground AA and AT fire.

Bazooka_Boy_EWG · Post by **Bazooka_Boy_EWG** » 2006-03-09 14:47

I don't know what the limits of the game engine would be but it truely realistic may be to much for this game. It would be good if the BH could hold 9, say 1 pilot & 2 gunners plus a squad (6) this would give a good balance between realism and achivability.

Baz

Post by **Wraith** » 2006-03-09 14:56

Bazooka_Boy_EWG wrote:I don't know what the limits of the game engine would be but it truely realistic may be to much for this game. It would be good if the BH could hold 9, say 1 pilot & 2 gunners plus a squad (6) this would give a good balance between realism and achivability.

Baz

I agree. It seems like a good balance. Plus, A cunning pilot shouldn't have to worry about tanks and such...

Post by **Rhino** » 2006-03-09 15:23

'[R-DEV wrote:Katarn']Problem with in creasing the capacity of the blackhawk is that no one would want to be in it. As of now, blackhawks are usually filled with 3 people, pilot/gunner/gunner as being a passenger is too much of a liability with the APC's and tanks rolling around, not to mention the ground AA and AT fire.

Well from what i can see in BF2, no 1 wants to be a passnger. In PRMM APCs and choppers are used in the right way, for transport. This is what i want to see, a chopper setting down troops outside a point so they can run in then have a exstraction after. With the APC me and my clan have manny times, just piled the whole squad inside, gone to a point and then when we are close they all hop out move in with the APC porviding cover.

Its all about teamwork, more ppl in the chopper, only can mean more teamwork

Pence · Post by **Pence** » 2006-03-09 16:08

The Black hawk can carry up to 20 lightly-equipped troops. However, the normal combat load is a three man crew and 11 fully-equipped infantrymen.

I say a crew of three and six spaces would be good if we can get 8 man squads into it (if beta's ideas; http://realitymod.com/forum/t3748-class-suggestion-lengthy.html are implemented the chopper pilot will stay in the copter and wait for the men to be extracted.

Bazooka_Boy_EWG · Post by **Bazooka_Boy_EWG** » 2006-03-09 16:36

yeah I think the crew should stay in and an infantry squad (however big that may be but I'm not sure if they can increase this from 6) should be getting in and out

SiN|ScarFace · Post by **SiN|ScarFace** » 2006-03-09 16:51

How many fit in it now? Atleast 6 people not including the pilot should be able to get in it.

Braddock096 · Post by **Braddock096** » 2006-03-09 17:06

Choppers just get blown out of the sky with the 1.2 patch. Not much incentive for full squad helo insertion when you get pwnd 9/10 times.

Post by **Rhino** » 2006-03-09 17:16

Braddock096 wrote:Choppers just get blown out of the sky with the 1.2 patch. Not much incentive for full squad helo insertion when you get pwnd 9/10 times.

im sure the devs will fix thous missles.

Zantetsuken · Post by **Zantetsuken** » 2006-03-09 17:49

Rhino wrote:im sure the devs will fix thous missles.

cmon man, have you lost it? this EA/DICE we're talking bout here incase you forgot

Post by **Fullforce** » 2006-03-09 18:10

The BHs in service now hold about 12 people including Crew Cheifs and Pilot.

But aside from being total suicide to get in the damn thing with 11 other people, i don't think its possible. F1-F6 are for vehicle positions and the max is 6 positions, mainly because you wouldn't be able to switch once you're in. although it might be possible, you wouldn't be able to move around to the back seats.

Post by **Rhino** » 2006-03-09 18:24

Zantetsuken wrote:cmon man, have you lost it? this EA/DICE we're talking bout here incase you forgot

When i said Devs i didnt say EA/Dice. I was talking about the PR devs....... its just like codeing a gun, if they couldnt do that this mod wouldnt be here.

USM-ST3.Spyder · Post by **USM-ST3.Spyder** » 2006-03-09 20:53

hey in real life you have to deal with AA. I think it would be better because USM ends up taking 2 blackhawks.

Post by **Happy** » 2006-03-09 21:22

AA missles are wierd. I had one do a loop around a BH then fly at me sideways.

Post by **Wraith** » 2006-03-09 21:41

I tried to shoot down a jet form on his 6 about 50m back and it went out to hit him then flipped back and killed me as I gained on him.

SiN|ScarFace · Post by **SiN|ScarFace** » 2006-03-09 22:05

Missles in BF2 are the suckage. I dont even know what they are aiming for when they are in flight. They should never fly past unless its way way off course. They need to explode in prox to the target rather than try and hit it, which would resolve the crazy flying shit they do now.

00SoldierofFortune00 · Post by **00SoldierofFortune00** » 2006-03-09 23:25

9 would be good and it would be even better if you could make the people in the back not be able to fire. Everyone except the flightcrew should just stand there really and not fight. I personally would like to see the miniguns nerfed because the choppers would be solely for transport then, but than that would not be realistic since BHs do have them for protection.

The Sea Stallion would be a good idea for levels like Oman or Dalian where the Marines have to get shore and usually not everyone can do that with a 6man BH or they get split up doing so. At least 9 people would be good even if you couldn't move.

SiN|ScarFace · Post by **SiN|ScarFace** » 2006-03-09 23:38

what i wonder is on oman and dilan, why the USMC does not have AAAV inaddition to the lav.