Weapons

[ServoSkinner]

Since when did antitank soldiers only carry a pistol?? Why isnt there tracer rounds when fireing the minigun from a Black Hawk?

[Cerberus]

Since always.

And I dunno why there aren't tracers for the miniguns. They use tracers to aim IRL

[ServoSkinner]

Ok in the Swedish army a antitank soldier is armed with an assault rifle. I dont think any army equip their antitank soldiers with only a pistol.

Yes they use tracers for real and they even have a sight on the weapon, here you got nothing

Since always.

And I dunno why there aren't tracers for the miniguns. They use tracers to aim IRL

[Cerberus]

Swedish anti-tank personnel probably carry the AT-4. Some soldiers in the US Army carry the AT-4 and an M4. But dedicated anti-tank personnel do not carry a rifle, they usually carry a pistol

[ServoSkinner]

Well we use the RBS 56 BILL antitank system and those operating that weapon are armed with AK5. A new portable antitank weapon (cant remeber the name of it) is developed here for taking out MBT and those using it will be armed with a AK5 as all other soldiers.

Swedish anti-tank personnel probably carry the AT-4. Some soldiers in the US Army carry the AT-4 and an M4. But dedicated anti-tank personnel do not carry a rifle, they usually carry a pistol

[Cerberus]

I was just guessing they carried the AT-4 because it's made in Sweden

[ServoSkinner]

Yes the AT4 is also in use but you wont be able to take out a MBT only armed vehicles and such. Even the support sodiers in sweden carry an assault rifle aswell. I dont mean it should be like that in the game, but i still think the AT-soldiers should have something else then a pistol.

I was just guessing they carried the AT-4 because it's made in Sweden

[lonelyjew]

You guys don't have true dedicated anti-tank soldiers in Sweden? What I meen by dedicated anti-tank is a soldier armed with a javelin or smaw launcher. These things are huge and so are their rockets. The gunner himself will carry one or two spare rockets while a support gunner carries a few rockets himself. Unlike in BF2, these guys don't "lone wolf" it. They are always accompony other troops to give them support against heavy armor. Infact, usually these guys aren't even on foot due to their heavy gear. Back to the point though, these soldiers don't need an assualt rifle that only weighs them down because they have plenty of soldiers who can defend them that they are with. Now, there are also light AT troops who carry, like cerberus said, a smaller launcher like an AT-4 that is not capable of killing a MBT but is more than adequate for light armored vehicles like a Bradley or LAV.

Now, with that said, I don't think it's fair to use a RBS 56 BILL as a good example of an AT weapon, at least for BF2, because it isn't a personal weapon. The thing weighs, with a standard day sight, a whopping 34.5kg or about 76lb. Now, this is with it's tripod, though I haven't seen any pic's of it being used without it. Even without the tripod it's still 23kg or slightly over 50lb. This is all with only one missle, so I find it very hard to believe that this thing is realistically possible for one man to carry the whole weapon, an extra missle or two, as well as an assualt rifle and ammo for that rifle.

Here's a RBS 56 BILL



Here's a Javelin


Here's a SMAW

[ServoSkinner]

Well ive seen all those weapons and have tried RBS 56 Bill.Not with a live missile but the simluator used to train the crew. And i never said it was operated by one man.

[ServoSkinner]

Just for fun i upload some pics of soldiers using the MBT-LAW. And they are equiped with assault rifles. But thats Sweden..............

[lonelyjew]

What I wanted to say about the RBS 56 Bill was that if it requires a crew then I don't think we can use it or a weapon that is comparable to it. Unless that is if the DEV's can make it so one player carries a tripod and a few missles and the other carries the laucher itself.

[Eddie Baker]

OI dont think any army equip their antitank soldiers with only a pistol.

Just for fun i upload some pics of soldiers using the MBT-LAW. And they are equiped with assault rifles. But thats Sweden..............

Once again, we won't be giving the anti-tank gunner classes rifles in PR because it detracts from both realism and gameplay. Single-shot, disposable light anti-armor weapons will be an optional or random item in the rifleman classes.

LAWs (including the MBT-LAW/NLAW and SRAW) are issued at the squad level, with a single launcher/round being carried by a couple of riflemen in each squad as a defense against an armored threat or other hardened-target. They are not the weapon of a "full-time" dedicated anti-tank gunner. Those troops use a man-portable anti-tank guided missile, rocket launcher or recoilless rifle that can be fired from the shoulder and work in crews. The crews of heavier anti-armor weapons will have rifles because they will have a vehicle on which to carry the anti-tank weapon and its ammunition.

For a USMC Assaultman (the MOS title for SMAW and Javelin crews) in the rifle company weapons platoon, the TO&E loadout is the SMAW Launcher, 2-3 rockets and a sidearm. For his assistant gunner, an M16 (basic load is 210 rounds [1 ready mag, 6 in LBE] but more is generally carried) and 2-3 rockets. Anything else is based on METT. For a Javelin team in the battalion weapons company, TO&E says one round for each team member will be carried, since the missiles and the command launch unit are much heavier than the SMAW rockets and launcher. This is why Javelin teams usually travel mounted on the HMMWVs of the battalion weapons company.

Even in old Soviet motorized rifle platoon TO&E, which is still in use in many places, the squad RPG-gunner doesn't have a rifle, just a sidearm, but does have an assistant gunner.

[IRONxMortlock]

Just for fun i upload some pics of soldiers using the MBT-LAW. And they are equiped with assault rifles. But thats Sweden..............

Obviously in Sweden, the first picture shows someone firing out of a sauna!