New stuff with the US Army, etc.

[EOD_Security-2252]

First off, I just want to say in response to the CROWS thread below that the all the factions can have their nice, safe inside-controlled turrets, but the USMC should not. This is because, and it's been true all along, the Marine Corps doesn't get new stuff. Marines will probably continue to have outside turret gunners for sometime to come, just like they still have hueys and Sea Kings when Blackhawks are a superior platform.
Also, does anyone else think that when they add the US Army there should be a requestable Airborne kit?

[Rudd]

on the airbourne front there was a detailed discussion a while ago https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f66-co ... =airbourne

And I agree on the CROWS front since AFAIK the open turret, perhaps with a gunner protection kit, is more common?

[Maxfragg]

the point is, that on some maps the crows would now actually balance it, when the have the new Vodnik and the chinise VN3

[LtSoucy]

The Marines do get new stuff, just it would really unbalance the game and till other factions recive theres it wont come in.

[EOD_Security-2252]

I'm not saying CROWS is a bad idea, it's a good idea and giving all other factions CROWS-like stuff is ok too, but please list some examples where USMC actually gets new stuff (in real life, not in PR). Even the EFV, they were looking at getting it etc, but they never really got it to replace the AAV.

[Garmax]

The M16A4 newly designed weapon. given to the USMC.

[Hotrod525]

First off, I just want to say in response to the CROWS thread below that the all the factions can have their nice, safe inside-controlled turrets, but the USMC should not. This is because, and it's been true all along, the Marine Corps doesn't get new stuff. Marines will probably continue to have outside turret gunners for sometime to come, just like they still have hueys and Sea Kings when Blackhawks are a superior platform.
Also, does anyone else think that when they add the US Army there should be a requestable Airborne kit?

The new Huey helicopter is entering service,new cobra entering service both totaly new advanced version, they got EFV, AAAV, new F35 JSF, M16A4, MARPAT, Marines gets new stuff And Marines dont use SeaKings only the navy and AIRBORNE KIT have been suggested 15 000 000 times or more so, use search next time.

[M.Warren]

Well in all honesty, for the use of the HMMWV CROWS system and the M1126 Stryker it should be in the hands of the U.S. Army. At the same time, the most practical use of these light vehicles with remote gun controlled systems should really be on an Insurgent map with U.S. Army forces. But there really isn't any maps that fit that description at this time to the best of my knowledge.

Not to be a pain but the M1126 Stryker is useless on all major front line engagements against a well equipped army. Such as the Peoples Liberation Army (PLA) and the Middle Eastern Coalition (MEC). Don't belive me? Think about it, how often do you see an LAV-25 Pirana or a BTR-90 sitting back at main base on Kashan Desert because no one wants to use it? It's not surprising. And in actuality, they're better off than a Stryker.

In Project Reality a single Tank shell, Heavy Anti-Tank missle, or 2 Light Anti-Tank rockets will most likely destroy these things. It's just the way it is. So there really isn't anything spectacular about these vehicles. Hopefully they're atleast amphibious as they should be.

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To the best of my knowledge, the only Stryker varient the U.S. Army forces will have is the remotely mounted .50 caliber machine gun. But it takes several different varients to work together as a team. Maybe if we could get varients of these craft in an attempt to simulate a coordinated mechanized squad it'll be useful.

I doubt we'll ever see the Mobile Gun System (MGS) varient. However the Fire Support Vehicle (FSV) with the mortar may be possible.

[Hotrod525]

Yeah U.S. Army is pretty advanced...but we cannot put this in PR cause "Thing have to been balanced" and most of those system will not work well ingame.And i think rely to much on technologie is a disadvantage on its own... what happen in a nuclear conflict ? or just EMP over battlefield ? all you're stuff is down.

[gazzthompson]

Yeah U.S. Army is pretty advanced...but we cannot put this in PR cause "Thing have to been balanced" and most of those system will not work well ingame.And i think rely to much on technologie is a disadvantage on its own... what happen in a nuclear conflict ? or just EMP over battlefield ? all you're stuff is down.

US army is no more advanced than alot of conventional armys tbh

[ostupidman]

Military hardware is hardened against EMP. The U.S. has known about EMP for a long time, and put the effort forth to make our armed forces relatively immune to EMP.

[[T]Terranova7]

the point is, that on some maps the crows would now actually balance it, when the have the new Vodnik and the chinise VN3

An exposed gunner turret v.s an unexposed one isn't a groundbreaking imbalance. After all, is anyone complaining about the Brits only having a 3 seat, highly exposed land rover as their primary method of light transport? Or the fact that the warrior isn't amphibious like everyone else's main APC?

Truth is the CROWs humvee shouldn't be looked upon as an answer to the Vodnik & VN3 (Should the newer ones ever be implemented). Besides, in many ways the humvee still comes up short considering that the Vod and VN3 are amphibious and are armed with 14.5mm turrets. They're practically mini APCs.

[Scot]

The Brits are getting the Jackal. Well at least in real life they are, not too sure about in game lol
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f22-mi ... ackal.html

[Hotrod525]

US army is no more advanced than alot of conventional armys tbh

U.S.Armed forces is the most advanced in this world.

[EOD_Security-2252]

Ok, first of all. Sea Stallions are the primary helicopter of the USMC, but Sea Knights and Kings are often used a lot as well. Second, all the stuff you listed is old stuff that's been upgraded, and the USMC got it after the Army had stuff like that for a while.

Finally, the USMC do not have the F35 or the EFV. They are looking at them, just like they're looking at the XM3 to replace the M40; however, they don't have it because US gov's cheap on Marines.

[Eddie Baker]

Hopefully they're at least amphibious as they should be.

The US Army Stryker family of vehicles is not amphibious; GDLS offers a retrofit kit for the LAV III/Stryker, but there have been no purchases, nor have I heard of plans to do so.

[billdan]

The Marines DO get new stuff, but much of this stuff is simply older platforms updated with newer technologies. i.e. the AH1 (used by Army aviation during Vietnam)-upgraded->AH-1 SuperCobra/SeaCobra (and soon the AH-1Z) that Marines currently use

Meanwhile, the Army gets the newer, better Apache in 1981

The Army traditionally has had priority over the Marines when it comes to funding, but the USMC nevertheless is still more technologically advanced (and larger than many, like the IDF) than most all other nations' militaries.

+their own fixed-wing air assetts in MAGTF=win

I completely agree with Warren on the usage of Strykers on a map like Kashan..

[EOD_Security-2252]

Thanks billdan, you and I are on the same page.

[USMC[KILLER]]

If anything the Marines should get a EFV in PR to replace the LAV25. Since PR is set in near-future.