Alternate Limited Kits?

[gclark03]

Does everyone know about the right-click system for the command rose in BF2? By right-clicking on certain commands, another voice is played; for example, right-clicking the "Go!" button on the rose will play the "Fall back" voice. Could we use this type of system for alternative versions of certain limited kits?

Here are my ideas for alternate kits, without leaving them too imbalanced:

Sniper: 3 field dressings, 15 shots (1+2 clips), no sidearm
Special Operations: No assault rifle (only silenced pistol), two charges of C4 + 6 SLAMs, one field dressing
Crewman: Pistol, 3 field dressings, red and white smoke grenades
Marksman: SOFLAM, no frag grenades
Anti-Aircraft: Extra missile, less rifle ammo
Anti-Tank: Laser-guided missile launcher (Javelin + equivalents?), carbine with 1 clip
Rifleman AT: Extra missile, rifle + 2 clips
Pilot: Binoculars, no white smoke
Auto Rifleman: Scoped LMG, no frag grenades
Officer: Carbine (1+7 clips)
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If you think it might be better, the kits could be left the same, but given more CQB-friendly main weapons. For example, applicable limited kits (Rifleman AT, HAT, Rifleman AA, etc.) on a MEC map could be given the HK53A3 instead of the G3.

As for the Javelin, something like this should probably be SOFLAM-guided for balance reasons. Also, unless there are ways to asymmetrically balance the Javelin with the other factions, this wouldn't work unless the other factions have an equivalent AT system. (Whatever you do, don't lock the entire thread because of this twist on an already-suggested weapon.)

[LtSoucy]

No, there fine and it would not be really realistic.

[gclark03]

Could you explain exactly what's unrealistic about them? I can't see how it wouldn't be - soldiers don't always bring exactly the same amount of gear or the same weapons to every conflict, and I'd imagine that some might bring an extra missile or two in exchange for a frag, or something similar to that.

[LtSoucy]

Sure ill go kit by kit,

Sniper: S
Special Operations:Always have a rifle, never just have a pistol
Crewman: Its ok, most carry rifles.
Marksman: There made to stay back and fight with the squad at same time. not be afar.
Anti-Aircraft: Its ok I get your point
Anti-Tank: Current HAT is fine, no need to change
Rifleman AT: Most soldiers only carry 1 rocket on back, rest is carried by others.
Pilot:Most carry sidearms, if not a SMG
Auto Rifleman:Most carry nades and its only a Red dot scope, not much change from now.(Most are red dot)
Officer: Its ok but officers carry more then just a rifle.

[Masaq]

I suspect it'd make the python coding a nightmare to keep the right number of each kit in play.

[Enderjmu]

well, since grunt-infantry only get that single 'T' rose for requesting kits... can't you put all the kits that can be alternative in the rest of the slots?

For SL, keep it as-is... unless there are certain kits that SLs just CAN NOT have (since you can limit kits to squad size, can't you limit SL kits to squad size? like if there are more than three members, then yes, [s]he can get the Officer kit, but not the H-AT kit...)

[gclark03]

Soucy, I think you misunderstood the suggestion. Everything posted in the OP is added to, or subtracted from, the current kit. (For example, following my suggestion, the Officer would get a carbine, sidearm, smokes, SOFLAM, field dressings, and a knife, not just a carbine.)

[Fabryz]

I think it will add more confusion

example
"Take the XYZ kit!"
"Whick one? 2 clips? forward grip? pink magazine?"

[GR34]

I like the scoped LMG Idea because that how it would be in real life. But most of the guns would have to be remodeled. The SAW/MiniMi MEC H&K w/e and the china one. THE MiniMi is the same as the C9 so thats already molded for Canadian forces and I could be used for US as well since it is a saw with a shorter barrel

[Scot]

Me wants scoped M2s and Auto Riflemans!!!

[gclark03]

Scoped M2s are, literally, like an automatic .50 cal sniper rifle - just ask Carlos Hatchcock.

[Scot]

Yeah but in real life they are there, at least in the Brit army, on Ross Kemp in Afghan, they all had them...

[gclark03]

That's very nice, but I never even mentioned the M2 .50 cal in my post. Unless you're suggesting that the Auto Rifleman has a scoped M2 (which has already been shot down several times), why bring it up?

[ReaperAce712]

No offense gclarck but this just completley negates the "reality" of PR.

Snipers: They ALWAYS carry a sidearm whether it be a pistol or SMG
Special Operations: Special Forces go into combat zones heavily armed with the latest in weapon technology, so taking that away dubs them medics doing the SF job.
Crewman: This I can agree with since tanks crewmen usually have only 1 or two carbines for self-defense
Marksman: Agreed since they should be spotters for snipers in some very big maps like kashan or Qin Ling, but mostly this should stay the same.
Anti-Aircraft: Very much agree with this
Anti-Tank: **The javelin is so heavy that 2 soldiers operate it, one carries the ammo, the other the command launch unit.**
Rifleman AT: The realistic weight is very heavy, this class should recieve the M4 with about 3 mags and At4 +1, also 1 dressing, binocs, and no nades,leave white smoke,
Pilot: They do carry binocs and no white smoke so this is good.
Auto Rifleman: Theres no arnold schwarzenegger in the army, the M249 with its ammo is heavy enough adding an LMG is making it a lot heavier despite what you may think.
Officer: Most carry the same rifle as there fellow grunts.

**The Javelin CMS has its own targeting system that allows it to be fired without someone else needing to target something for them using a SOFLAM or designator. This was the point of the CMS or they would have just scrapped the project**

[gclark03]

Another editing error, Reaper. I wasn't suggesting an additional machine gun - I'm not crazy! - but giving the current one a scope at the expense of grenades.

[Scot]

I was just saying generally, sorry, hijacked the post a bit sorry :'(

[ReaperAce712]

Another editing error, Reaper. I wasn't suggesting an additional machine gun - I'm not crazy! - but giving the current one a scope at the expense of grenades.

lmao then thats pretty reasonable but a scope doesnt weigh that much that some grenades should be sacraficed

[Bringerof_D]

haha yea reaper an M249 is an LMG, lol i would like to see someoneone irl actually capable of dragging 2 loaded ones with'em let alone run + full gear (box mags, armour, etc)

[gclark03]

lmao then thats pretty reasonable but a scope doesnt weigh that much that some grenades should be sacraficed

Why would anyone use the kit without a scope if there wasn't some benefit?