New Force Suggestion: Russia

Pence · Post by **Pence** » 2006-03-18 00:28

Spiceing things up would be;
China + UK
USA
Russia and MEC

[T]Terranova7 · Post by **[T]Terranova7** » 2006-03-18 01:29

Actually.. Here are a few nice things you might want to read on some of the countries relation factors.

Taiwan independence
Foreign relations of Russia
Foreign relations of the United States
European Union arms embargo on China
Treaty of Good-Neighborliness and Friendly Cooperation Between the People's Republic of China and the Russian Federation

Ninjo · Post by **Ninjo** » 2006-03-18 01:44

US "accidently" launches a major air assault onto a British camp in MEC territory, effectively destroying a large amount of the British military. Russia is aligned with MEC, Britain quickly begins to sympathize with China in fighting the US.

US vs. Britain/China vs. MEC/Russia

Pence · Post by **Pence** » 2006-03-18 03:09

US "accidently" launches a major air assault

In real life do they say "I accidentaly turned off my IFF acknolagement computer and bombed the British" - Too oftern do the Americans cause "friendly fire" "accidents".

I see it as the MEC joining all islamic contries together and then forcefully occupying some contries like India, Oman and some mediteranian country's, the UN sends food to a hillside to claim they are doing somethink (But as usual they aint) America and Britian begin to use force to stop the MEC spreading so the MEC train there army and equip it with Russian weapons brought by tradeing oil. But before the MEC can assault Britian and America, they need to gather more resorces (Introduceing China), China is promised by the MEC to be free of hostility's and rewarded by all land in the far east, exsept Russia if they help spear against the west. The Chin official's, weak-minded at the time accepted and helped the MEC take over India. America attacks China as it is the closest threat to America and Austilasia and at the same time - thrusts marines against the MEC to try and slow down the MEC's 'building up' process. Britian then sends the Royal Navy with rushed into service CVF carrier's and a taskforce of Royal Marine Commandos who resist constant attack from MEC forces on the coast of Greece (This is so different climate maps can be made). Russia seeing that the two main threats to them dureing the Cold War wishes to retain its former glory and expell embarresment caused from the west. Russia storm's through Europe to the edge of Germany were it is meat by the second largest British troop concentration (The UK's Germany Barrack's that have had a decent number of troops join them from Devisions in the UK), Britian then fends off Russia, leaveing America to attack China and week points in the MEC's area (BF2).

Advantages;
-Russia as a new faction.
-Britian fights in south east Mediteranian and in East Germany witch allows alot of map variations.
-America gets to stick to there origional areas of operation's like in BF2.
-Royal Marines/Royal Navy and the Army can be implemented allowing different vehicals, weapons and material's to work like in reality (As stated before)
-The British concentrate on Russia and MEC so if Russia is implemented it will be used alot more.
-Anymore advantages please say; Time for bed

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[T]Terranova7 · Post by **[T]Terranova7** » 2006-03-18 03:35

I highly doubt Russia could ever advance through Europe. Russia has a poor economy since the fall of the Soviet Union. Thus they could never really come up with the cash to finace a war on such a grand scale. Not to mention Russia does have some friendly plus factors with European countries. Overall I can't even see why Russia would even be in this war. Countries just don't simply walk into a war for no apparent reason. I'd also think that the PR team should work out the armies they already have. There are tons of equipment out there for China, the U.S, MEC and the United Kingdom that should be looked into before venturing into an entirely new army.

Post by **Rhino** » 2006-03-18 12:22

Terranova wrote:I highly doubt Russia could ever advance through Europe. Russia has a poor economy since the fall of the Soviet Union. Thus they could never really come up with the cash to finace a war on such a grand scale. Not to mention Russia does have some friendly plus factors with European countries. Overall I can't even see why Russia would even be in this war. Countries just don't simply walk into a war for no apparent reason. I'd also think that the PR team should work out the armies they already have. There are tons of equipment out there for China, the U.S, MEC and the United Kingdom that should be looked into before venturing into an entirely new army.

The thing is you are missing the point. Main reason why i brought Russia into it was because of different map terrain types. BF2 is already filled with there weapons. There would be very little to do for them to crate a new army. The main thing that would need to be done is 1. Mapping, 2. Skinning, 3. New Statics and vegetation for the maps.

That is hardly anything when u have to think what PR need to do to put the Brits in or any other country.

This would hardly increase the size of the mod apart from extra maps. Me being a mapper making desert maps and jungle/swamp maps eventually gets boring when you can do so many cool effects on your map with snow and all the rest of it.

It would make this mod again, stand out more from BF2. At the moment this mod is to much like BF2 with using the same maps but understandbly at the start they do need to for a mini mod.

Now you can think up any story line you want, but in the end it really ain't hard to make the Russians to be in the mod and then that means we can expand to a huge amount of new maps.

00SoldierofFortune00 · Post by **00SoldierofFortune00** » 2006-03-18 14:32

Terranova wrote:Last thing I want to see is a T-90 tank going against a T-90 tank. I can never see an "alliance" between Russia and China. Culture, governmetns and religon are the main reasons I see that.

I can't see them fighting each either, China doesn't come close to having the resources to advance through the artic conditions of Siberia, and Russia would not hesitate to deploy nuclear weapons against China if they began closing in on Moscow. Russia couldn't advance through China either, in fact I doubt any country in the world could launch any sort of offensive on China due to their manpower.

U.S andd U.K are obvious allies. The MEC really doesn't seem like they would hold any real "allies". I just see the MEC using their oil to strike deals with countries such as Russia and China. Perhaps in some sense the MEC attacked Isreal for religous or expansion purposes. That could possibly be enough for the U.S to declare war on the MEC. Perhaps with both Russia and China holding key oil wells in the middle-east, they only wish to protect their shares.

For whatever reason U.S attacks Chinese or Russian oil wells, they too enter the war. However the only cooperative alliance I can see is the U.S and U.K, since they are simular. Overall though I generally feel that oil is not enough to have 5 countries going at it.

Gotta agree. Work with the armies and military we already have and just add in new custom maps. China has regions which are coldier to the north, so if you want snow, go there. It does snow in China you know.

If you want to add a new faction, then the UN could be a possible choice for the future if you look at what they do.

But MEC would never align with any other countries because of their religion. It is already hard to believe that all the or some of the Middle East came together to form one military force since they have "huge" differences and past wars.

China and the US in a conflict is pretty believable though and it is possible that that could happen in the near future. It is basically like a cold war that is just not as visible between the US and China now. You get two countries that big and powerful, there is bound to be some kind of conflict or something happen, ie. US cold war with Russia.

IMO, stick with the factions we have now because there really isn't any good storylines unless you want to do the BF2:Special Forces semi storyline which actually worked.

Russia against Chechyn(sp?) rebels
British against MEC
British against Russia(not as believable)

Russia supplies arms to the Chinese and the MEC somehow recieve or steal them from Russia, so wars inbetween them is very unlikely along with them aligning because of political, religious, or past conflicts.

As of now, we need more jungle maps and actually good open desert maps with lots of rolling hills purhaps, or ancient Chinese city maps.(think Hue from BFV).
The jungle maps like Steel Thunder are a real hit now, so we should focusing on give the people a little more of that and then focus on something else like snow. There could also be better laid out urban maps as well.

Post by **Evilhomer** » 2006-03-18 15:14

The issue is that POE are doign Russia, and we think it would be rude to try and cover a scenario which other mods are working towards.

So we have come up with a list of possible countries.

MEC
Iran
Pakistan (overthrown goverment)
Syria
Egypt
UAE*
Oman

East Asia
China PLA
north Korea

Us lead Coalition
USA
UK
Canada
Australia
Philipines
Taiwan
Japan
Israel
South Korea
Afghanistan

Post by **Rhino** » 2006-03-18 15:17

POE2 is doing Ukrane thou

but i do see your point

Post by **Happy** » 2006-03-18 15:18

I would go for US is helping South Vietnam (some kits are Vietimise some are American) defend its native land from a Chinese/North Korean (same deal) attack.

Figisaacnewton · Post by **Figisaacnewton** » 2006-03-18 15:34

'[R-DEV wrote:Evilhomer']

MEC
Iran
Pakistan (overthrown goverment)
Syria
Egypt
UAE*
Oman

East Asia
China PLA
north Korea

Us lead Coalition
USA
UK
Canada
Australia
Philipines
Taiwan
Japan
Israel
South Korea
Afghanistan

Keep this list exactly. It's pretty much perfect. Although i don't know why philipines is on the US side, they have a very high muslim population which would probably be against a war with a fundamentalist MEC.

and also, if pakistan is on one side, wouldn't india be on the other? they both would love to nuke each other...

Peter-SAS · Post by **Peter-SAS** » 2006-03-18 16:08

India are very pro west. Being part of the Commonwealth, and have massive business links to the UK in particular, not to mention a very large Indian population in the UK. And not to keen on Islamic nations either.

six7 · Post by **six7** » 2006-03-18 17:05

put India under the US side, take out the Philipines, and add Saudi Arabia to the MEC. under far east add Vietnam and Thailand

[T]Terranova7 · Post by **[T]Terranova7** » 2006-03-18 18:10

Saudi Arabia is supported by the United States, unless of course the MEC overthrows them. India under the United States? I'm pretty sure the U.S does support the Philipines, since I've seen pictures of Philipine soldiers armed with U.S weapons as shown below. I know they have some issues with muslim sepertists and communist insurgents to the south, but their government still maintains as a Republic.

Pence · Post by **Pence** » 2006-03-18 18:27

'[R-DEV wrote:Evilhomer']The issue is that POE are doign Russia, and we think it would be rude to try and cover a scenario which other mods are working towards.

So we have come up with a list of possible countries.

MEC
Iran
Pakistan (overthrown goverment)
Syria
Egypt
UAE*
Oman

East Asia
China PLA
north Korea

Us lead Coalition
USA
UK
Canada
Australia
Philipines
Taiwan
Japan
Israel
South Korea
Afghanistan

Afganistan with the UK? No!
Oman with the MEC? No!
Philipines? With a national defence force its hard to attack..

I suggest Russia or possably Argentinia as we are looking for new terain types.

Peter-SAS · Post by **Peter-SAS** » 2006-03-18 19:02

Oman with the MEC is a no-no

Afghanistan have a coalitiont trained army now, as do Iraq, but they wouldn't fight with us.

[T]Terranova7 · Post by **[T]Terranova7** » 2006-03-18 21:25

Afghanistan has way too many religous issues. In fact, it may be best to exclude them. Also we no doubt have to assume that Oman in a part of the MEC's territory since there is this map called Gulf of Oman.

People for the last time, it does snow across northern Asia. I actually prefer to see some more tropical island type maps. The scenary in this locations are just simply too hard to ignore. In fact, it would be awesome to have battles over Indonesia and the Philipines.

Peter-SAS · Post by **Peter-SAS** » 2006-03-18 22:03

We want a realistic setting, not the 'storyline' dice has thrown up.

Kubra damn is also in the Saudi, but they are pro US

00SoldierofFortune00 · Post by **00SoldierofFortune00** » 2006-03-18 22:18

I think Japan also has a defensive force because of WW2 and the Philipines aren't really going to send that many people or get involved that much if they didn't even do that in Iraqi and Afganistan.

Ninjo · Post by **Ninjo** » 2006-03-18 22:32

How about a reunited Yugoslavia? Great Britiain was very much pro for having a ground war during the 90's Serb wars. Say Serbia/Croatia decided to team up again and retake all of former Yugoslavia (like in the 90's). Upon succeeding within a short period of time, Great Britain launches an assault on the new Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia has a lot of decent military stuff that is very cool, for instance:

APS 95- A cool Galil Copy.

RT20- Biggest most hardcore rifle on the market.