[Proposal] Swedish Armed Forces Faction

[Waaah_Wah]

Eyy! WE are the almighty Vikings

Swedes are just "wannabe Vikings"

[Z-trooper]

What all of you are forgetting is that Denmark was (and is) the greatest viking nation. end of discussion

[Waaah_Wah]

Lies!

[akatabrask]

hell no...denmark was wannabe german/french...sure...the norwegians had erik rödskägg and such traveling to america and so...but we (sweden) had the uppsalatemple and therefor sweden is the center of the asatro which is equal to vikings - so swedish people are the true vikings

that aside I think the idea of swedish/norwegian/finnish/nordic faction/minimod would be awsome... set the scenario to russia invading scandinavia...I would definately be in on working on it

[EOD_Security-2252]

I'm not gonna say you guys can't/shouldn't make a community mod, but how are you making Sweden actually fight people considering the fact that they aren't in any conflicts? Are you going to have out of control riots?

Other than that, it sounds great. You can make that new Archer artillery system and I'd love to see some snow maps.

[Fenrir07]

...but how are you making Sweden actually fight people considering the fact that they aren't in any conflicts?

Well..., the setup is fictional; the Chinese ain't exactly in a full blown war with the west..., the MEC is a fictional coalition - ever think we're gonna see the Arabs band together like that in our lifetime?

Bottom line; it's fictional.

I certianly hope the other factions in development (like Norway) are not going to be limited to only battling insurgents in A-stan - "because that's their only current deployment"..., again the setting of the game is fictional

[EOD_Security-2252]

Well, the fake parts for other factions are at least 60% possible (you must think of MEC as a single nation, Dice only made MEC to avoid conflict), and I seriously don't see Sweden going to war with anyone, no one bothers Sweden.

[Fenrir07]

Well, the fake parts for other factions are at least 60% possible (you must think of MEC as a single nation, Dice only made MEC to avoid conflict)

AFAIK the MEC is an invented pan-Arabic/pan-islamic coalition that was "made up", given some of the weapons I suppose the MEC could be Iran but then the language is wrong as the Iranians don't speak Arabic..., and I do not think the various Arabic nations would ever band together to form any sort of effective political or military coalition within my lifetime...

...and I seriously don't see Sweden going to war with anyone, no one bothers Sweden.

Norway does.
...but that theme has already been done...

Sweden is today part of the EU and framework nation for the Nordic Battlegroup (and in 2011 the Swedish Battlegroup). The EU battlegroups are rapid reaction forces usually of Bn size. They are meant to spearhead an intervention in conflict or crisis areas. That Sweden should go to war on its own is out of the question, but the possibility of Swedish forces being deployed as part of an EU operation is not far fetched. Swedish troops did take part in OPERATION ARTEMIS...

[EOD_Security-2252]

First, I agreed that the Arabic nations won't unite, they hate each other too much. Also, if MEC is meant to take the place of some Arabic nation, but the developers could not make it too much like any existing Arabic nation so they wouldn't get flak from people from that country or the US goverment.

So you're going to have Norway fight Sweden?
Sounds good to me, like I said snow maps are cool, but...

Also, if you're having Swedish forces be part of an EU lead conflict, then it should be a EU mod with different countries as classes (somebody did it for NATO but the mod was bad, didn't even make sense weapon wise)

[Fenrir07]

...but the developers could not make it too much like any existing Arabic nation so they wouldn't get flak from people from that country or the US goverment.

Maybe so..., I thought the MEC was invented to provide a platform that could sort of pretend to match the seemingly overwhelming military power of the United States - although Arab nations have continued to perform poorly in almost all their military enterprises...

...So you're going to have Norway fight Sweden?
Sounds good to me, like I said snow maps are cool, but...

No - that has already been done. The Silent Heroes mod for BF1942 was a Sweden vs Norway setup, entertaining I guess, but totally unrealistic.

...Also, if you're having Swedish forces be part of an EU lead conflict, then it should be a EU mod with different countries as classes (somebody did it for NATO but the mod was bad, didn't even make sense weapon wise)

Why a EU mod? The scale of the scenarios in PR is pretty small each side having about a Company Team (+) worth of troops in most scenarios..., other than HQ units what nation would mix and match troops on a section/platoon level?

Now I doubt very much a Swedish faction will be built, but I'm hoping for Norway - and that the Norwegians are not limited to "only" fighting insurgents...

[markonymous]

we actually have bigger contingent in A-stan then norway not to mention a much bigger army in general. About double the size.

Norwegian Defence Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Swedish Armed Forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Fonveh]

we actually have bigger contingent in A-stan then norway

No, you don't. Sweden has 350 soldiers in Afghanistan. Norway has 600 soldiers + 150 special forces, helicopters, IFV's, LMV's and F-16's at some point. In addition, there has been a Norwegian presence in Afghanistan since the invasion itself, and in major combat operations like Operation Anaconda and Operation Harekate Yolo.
Numbers here

I know you're frustrated that there's no Swedish community mod, but you shouldn't lie and rip on other peoples efforts.

[Fenrir07]

we actually have bigger contingent in A-stan then norway not to mention a much bigger army in general. About double the size.

Ööhh..., your point is what exactly...?

[Cp]

nice to see that I was wrong when I first saw this thread and thought to myself "I bet this thread will end in a 'my dad is stronger than your dad' war".

seriously though, Who has what amount of troops in that country does not determine if the faction can be part of project reality, what does though is if someone creates the faction and its up to PR standards.
This faction will never be in project reality unless someone creates it and its not going to be created if all of you spend all your time arguing about something irrelevant.

[Z-trooper]

Imho it dosnt matter how many troops, enemies, allies, guns, tanks, aircraft or whatever a contry has. The most important thing if you want to play as a particular army in a game is to make it yourself regardless what other people think of it.

PR is set in the future, so if you want to play as a sweedish soldier - make a mod. So what if it dosnt get released as an official PR faction, you can still play with whoever else wants it.

I sure inteded to do so with the danish armed forces. Throw in some artillery while I'm at it, and do it in my god damn own phase without the public nagging. Sorry if I come off as a jackass here, but thats how I feel.

[Fonveh]

nice to see that I was wrong when I first saw this thread and thought to myself "I bet this thread will end in a 'my dad is stronger than your dad' war".

seriously though, Who has what amount of troops in that country does not determine if the faction can be part of project reality,

If I see something that is wrong, I answer. In this case he made a false claim and I corrected him, it has nothing to do with "my dad being stronger than his dad". In fact, I would be happy to see any Scandinavian faction in-game, I've said this before as well.

[markonymous]

No, you don't. Sweden has 350 soldiers in Afghanistan. Norway has 600 soldiers + 150 special forces, helicopters, IFV's, LMV's and F-16's at some point. In addition, there has been a Norwegian presence in Afghanistan since the invasion itself, and in major combat operations like Operation Anaconda and Operation Harekate Yolo.
Numbers here

I know you're frustrated that there's no Swedish community mod, but you shouldn't lie and rip on other peoples efforts.

I seem to have been missinformed. But so do you. Currently Sweden has 330 Soldiers in Afghanistan and Norway has 580.

CBC News In Depth: Afghanistan

Both swedes and norwegians are holding only one area each as displayed by this map.

[Fonveh]

I seem to have been missinformed. But so do you. Currently Sweden has 330 Soldiers in Afghanistan and Norway has 580.

It depends on whether you want to trust CBC or the official Norwegian Army site. Either way, the numbers differ only by 20 soldiers, so I don't really see the relevance. Go with the CBC numbers and Norway still has: 580 soldiers + 150 special forces, helicopters, IFV's, and LMV's

[markonymous]

i couldn't find anything on the special forces helicopters IFV's or LMV's only that you have 4 F-16s there.

[Fonveh]

i couldn't find anything on the special forces helicopters IFV's or LMV's

Did you miss my link?
Forsvarsnett: Fakta

"Våren 2008 har Norge om lag 500 soldater i Afghanistan. I løpet av våren sender Norge også spesialstyrker fra Hærens Jegerkommando/Forsvarets Spesialkommando (totalt 150 soldater) til Kabul og et helikopterbidrag på tre helikoptre og 60 mann, samt en rundt 100 soldater i en manøverstyrke til Meymaneh."

500 + 150 + 60 + 100 = 810, if you count everyone down there.

IFV (C90), LMV (Iveco and G-Wagon). This is well known and shouldn't even need sources.

only that you have 4 F-16s there.

Those were pulled out years ago.