[Faction Proposal] Irish Insurgency & AAS

[Psyko]

Irish Insurgency and AAS

I have worded this thread very carefully so as not to step on toes. It's just an idea, so lets keep it as an idea,
and keep it civil. I have gone through all the past posts and threads about this and found that
not enough information was truly gathered to even make a subject about it, and im posting in community mods and not in suggestions, even though it sort-of is a suggestion. Ok, so ill get to the point...
Im Irish and i live along the southern border of The Republic of Ireland Near Dundalk. Just north of my hometown is Armagh and the rest of Ulster where for decades,
a civil war raged. It was in it's full capacity from 1969 to 1997 and As far as im conserned,
the irish civil war was a modern day war with modern day weapons. I dont consider myself a supporter, and i was never involved in any of the troubles.

Before i go off organising a new faction, i would like to know how many supporters i would have towards creating an Irish republican Army versus British in an Insurgency game mode and/or AAS mode.
I recognise the possible controversy of this consept, so i figure if it was made by Irish people, there would be less roadblocks and the faction could remain as authentic as possible, allthough that being said, ANY help would be appresiated!

So, I have gone through a couple of Pros and cons to consider, and if not enough can be done or if there is too much opposition then the idea will be postponned or scrapped.

IRA thread Pros and cons
Pro: British forces is more or less complete with only adjustments, but mainly the core of the british army is in there along with most of their equipment, that can be replicated for Northern Irish british soldiers.
Con: No irish Statics
Pro: Very few statics needed for a hillside (Armagh) map. (House, farmhouse, shed, field-gate etc)
Pro: IRA used G3, AK47, Barrett M95, M16, RPG, Moltov Cocktails so a lot of divercity on an insurgent faction with no scopes.
Con: Project reality is set slightly in the future but i wonder if this is negotiable. Its my understanding that there were no full scale battles, except ambushes and riots where handfulls of people were killed (But lots critically wounded)
Pro: We allready have exploding vehicles and the weapons.
Pro: We allready have basic forest environment statics.
Con: No irish vehicles, but the Al Basra vehicles kinda look like eighties cars, but not ninties.
Con: No sludge map textures for farmlands
Pro: Allready have stone walls.
Pro: CH-47 Chinook is in production and could be ready for this map.
Pro: I know the terrain very well.
Pro: IRA combat gear is quite basic, and not very detailed, thus easier to make.
Pro: Cautious squad based fighting as a pub mode, not like Al Basra where everyone is grinding together.
Pro: Dont need to translate in gaelic,as Both sides speak english, but the language WAS used to keep information secret and if needs be, it can be done, my gaelic is a bit rusty. but in any case the accent would need to be done.
Con: This war was a long drawn out one, with one side using sneak attacks for years and years. very rarely were the confrontations massive and bloody, but i dont know. Maybe thats perfect for PR.
Pro: I can take my car up north and take pictures of the scenery.

That's all i can think of for now. If you feel its nessesary to flame, please remember to do so in a polite manner, and if you have any criticisms or positive feedback, by all means, please reply.

Please note: If anyone has a problem with this idea on moral grounds, PLEASE speak up, I DO NOT want to frustrate anyone!

Thanks for reading







(Below)Warrenpoint Co.Down

[MaxBooZe]

First of all; Nice presentation, I like the idea, Original, and thought of... its something totally new, and I like it.. Its easy, but requires some time.. The most important are the map and statics..

[Scot]

This was requested a while ago, but you did it a lot better But I think for some reason, the DEVs can't do a real war or something? And also with the situation in Ireland(to my knowledge) getting less hostile nowadays, and PR being based in the near future, this would be old news, but I suppose if the DEVs allow it, I would play it!

[Psyko]

That sounds perfect

RPG kit needs a side arm. A lot of them in real life carried lots of revolvers (old assed ones) and pistols, i can look into that.

Im considering the Civ. weapons. I mean...lol...i remember distinctly civilians making Petrol bombs really quickly. and chuck everything they could fit in their arms with tremendous accurasy.

We could also use the IEDs as well, heres a bit of history. The IRA used to plant IEDs in drain pipes beneath the surface of the roads that winded throuh the hills, so after lots of british casualties, they resorted to only moving on foot accross open terrain, and transport drops via Chinooks. But i dont like the idea, of everyone running round with IEDs, i think they should be a limited pickup kit. same for any explosive cars, they would need to be few in number with a long spawn time.

IRA Explosive

[Scot]

Good idea!!

I think the MG pickup shouldn't be a M249, it should be an RPK or PKM?? Also there should be max 2, i think only 1 sniper kit.

[Psyko]

Trying to find out which support weapon they used the most.
Anyone know what this weapon is in the pic?


I found this one, it looks like a Bi-pod mounted M-60, i cant make out the other ones. I think the RPK and M249 would fit well.

[Scot]

Yeah looks like M60

[Fonveh]

Trying to find out which support weapon they used the most.
Anyone know what this weapon is in the pic?

FN MAG?



Doesn't look much like the M60 in my opinion, but what do I know...

[Psyko]

hard to know how the gameplay with this kit setup would fair out, but heres my thoughts.

Officer:
knife
pistol
G3 (Yes scoped)
frag
smoke
binos
bandage

Militant:
knife
M16 unscoped
[Grenades]
smoke
binos

[No Civi for woodland combat]
But if there was a civi...
Knife
Rocks
Petrol bomb x4
Field dressings xlots
(this is more accurate, as they wernt really passive, they were rioting, lots of petrol bombs to create lots of suppression, and the British forces can't shoot them. but once their petrol bombs are expended then the british forces can knife them, and if they run for shelter in a tight enclosed place, and try to use the moltov, they will only end up killing themselves.)
They never had wrenches

Veteran:
knife
AK47
frag
molotov
smoke
binos
bandage

Anti air:
knife
Stinger
Scorpion
Field dressings
[no binos]

Rifleman AT:
Knife
RPG
Uzi if we have it
Field dressings
{no binos]

Sapper Pickup kit)[possible combo of engineer and spec ops)
Knife
G3 unscoped or Enfield/equivilant bolt action rifle
Smoke
1xC4
Proper Wrench
Field dressings


MG pickup:
knife
M249/PKM/RPK
binos
smoke
bandage

Sniper pickup x1)
knife
Pistol (dont know which one yet.)
M82 (extra ammo, they used to sit in those hills for weeks)
[no smoke]
Trip Flares
binos (need long range binos, the normal ones arnt good enough, but not SOFLAM)
bandage

[Fonveh]

[No Civi for woodland combat]
But if there was a civi...
Knife
Rocks
Petrol bomb x4
Field dressings xlots
(this is more accurate, as they wernt really passive, they were rioting, lots of petrol bombs to create lots of suppression, and the British forces can shoot them. but once their petrol bombs are expended then the british forces and knife them. and if they run for shelter in a tight enclosed place, and try to use the moltov, they will only end up killing themselves.)
They never had wrenches

The Irish never owned wrenches? Man, life must have been hard for them.

As for your list, M95 seems kinda strange. Unless you have some proof that they used it. I think a more conventional calibered sniper rifle would make more sense.

[hawKKK]

Its a really good Idea. But who's going to remodel/skin an m16a1?

[Psyko]

For the map im thinking a large enough one. Maybe even 4k. Lots of walking and checking farms and cottages for Weapons caches. Very hilly, lots of hedgerows and open fields, a bit of rain sound and maybe a grey sky with some thunder. (because even if you cant see rain, if you can hear it, you will think its raining, simple )
Perhapse a small village with a post office and a pub, with the doors open. A hilltop Army outpost with helipad way off in a remote part.
Its not going to be too complicated, there arnt any tunnels, that i know of anyway. its mostly, lots of wet mucky fields, rocky hill slopes, evergreen trees in man made forests that have very steep slopes.

The main road from Befast to Dublin runs straight through between two sets of mountains, and this is where ambushes happened.

So i choose South Armagh, which is a cross of forest, mountains and grasslands. And on top of a wide veriety of tactical movement approaches, the map can benifit from the natural beauty that we are blessed with.

All i can do now, is start researching the map making process. And i would like to reach out and ask for anyone who would be willing to help make some 3d statics for this.




I know it looks a bit barren and flat in some parts. but when your o ground level, its all boulders and rocks, with **** all over the fields and hedges that block your view of places. its wonderfull.

[Psyko]

Its a really good Idea. But who's going to remodel/skin an m16a1?

Dont need to. Trust me.

The wrench is there to repair cars, to show the local population helping them out with things like that.

Anyway, I dont know much about the kits and stuff but perhaps i could convert a map for this quickly, any in particular that would work well? Perhaps Inishail?

I also think we should have some sort of medic. Perhaps with an AK101? The more different weapons the better IMO.

Inishail sounds good. And good call on the medic with AK101. Whats your opinion on Defibs?

[Psyko]

I dont seem to have Inishail ATM, if someone could find me a link to D/L it I could use it. I do have Helmand, however. Not the right region but any map is a good start.

With the defibs I would go somewhere between militia and reg.army, I would have the basic spawn medic kit with just field dressings, but a request medic with defibs added. If it doesn't work out we could make a decision later.

a medic pickup kit hasnt been done yet, it might be interesting.
How about using a curent map. Bi ming or sunset city. then we can try urban and/or outdoors. But i havnt played Helmand in ages, and it sounds cool.

Link to 0.5 download
http://www.exp.de/download.php?id=11971
map pack downloads
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f101-p ... -more.html

[EOD_Security-2252]

I'd love to help out, I'll do some kit work if you want.