Plane/Jet Brakes

[Chanvlan]

Heya all, I am posting this thread to ask / suggest a button that activates a "Handbrake" on planes an other aircraft, because personally, i always manage to get the plane down its just stopping before that dam wall thats the problem, so what i usually have to do is jump out, saving the aircraft by stopping it instantly but killing me in the process. I was just going to suggest a handbrake "button" that could be used to help stop the aircraft, like locking the wheel brakes, or if there is one can someone tell me what it is cause i have searched everywhere and cannot find it at all. Any thats its thnx.

positive suggestion and feedback below!

[Tirak]

Pull back on the stick, or press the down arrow, as long as you're not traveling fast enough, it activates the brake on the Taxi Engine, watch Rhino's How To video for jets.

[Colt556]

I think he's talking about when landing. I noticed aswell if you come in just a tad too fast on a landing, you're screwed. Because even at optimume landing speed you still only stop at the very end of the runway. It would be nice if you had a break that locked up your wheels and just slowed you down drasticly so you could land without needing perfect precision. Would also be handy for "combat landings" nothing worse then trying to land with an enemy jet lurking about.

[Chanvlan]

yeh precisly soetimes you cant do the whole prep and fly to the opposite corner of the map and only have 1 side of the map to work with. Just a brake that could stop you when you hit the runway would be good.

[Waaah_Wah]

If your going too fast, jump out, the jet will stop instantly. Yes you will get wounded or die but the jet will survive.

[Tirak]

YouTube - Project Reality Flight Training

Watch it, follow it, and your jet flying and landing will become easier.

[Bringerof_D]

I think he's talking about when landing. I noticed aswell if you come in just a tad too fast on a landing, you're screwed. Because even at optimume landing speed you still only stop at the very end of the runway. It would be nice if you had a break that locked up your wheels and just slowed you down drasticly so you could land without needing perfect precision. Would also be handy for "combat landings" nothing worse then trying to land with an enemy jet lurking about.

or how about a realisticaly lengthened runway?

[zangoo]

then it would be bigger the kashan, and that would suck. just going to say somthing, it isnt hard to land, you come in at like 700 for a f16/mig and when you are like 200m away from the start of the run way and like 50m above the ground you let go of W and glide untill you hit the runway, when you hit the runway you should be going like 500, now pull up and you will slow down.

[AnRK]

Are airbrakes at all possible in BF2? I'm not sure how much good they do at high speeds, but would they be at all useful when landing?

[Masaq]

Plane handling and physics are still very much a WiP, I believe.

[SuperTimo]

the jets have airbrakes look behind whist putting your thrust to zero, you can see them workingin the F-16 and Mig-29

[Tomato-Rifle]

You are just not doing it right, the landing speed is about 600ish

[Scot]

Well even then you go right to the end of the runway which kinda sucks

[Colt556]

I've done the proper landing, I know HOW to land, and can do it just fine. But sometimes in combat you get chased by an enemy fighter or something, or for whatever reason you can't do the full landing prep and you come in a little hot. I've actually done this, if you go in at even 100kph faster then what you should, you'll go off the runway and die. This is a combat air-field ffs, you should be able to do emergancy landings if necessary. A brake to just slow you down the second you touch the ground should be essential, given the size of PR maps.

[Tirak]

Colt, there is a frakking brake, and if there's a fighter on your arse, why the hell are you landing? Sorry, long day, just watch the vid I've already posted, Rhino specificly meantions the brake, and if you find you're coming in too hot, open the throttle and come around for another pass (Also mentioned by Rhino)

[Colt556]

Colt, there is a frakking brake, and if there's a fighter on your arse, why the hell are you landing? Sorry, long day, just watch the vid I've already posted, Rhino specificly meantions the brake, and if you find you're coming in too hot, open the throttle and come around for another pass (Also mentioned by Rhino)

I watched the vid before getting into PR and I don't remember any sort of brake being mentioned, I'll re-watch.

As for comming in with a fighter on your ***, what if you have no missiles? Kinda stupid to just fly around and get shot down instead of trying to land and hope one of your friendly AA's can pick the guy off. I also made sure to mention other possibilities, sometimes you just come in too fast.

Also, I've tried the throttling up. And sometimes you are just too slow to get air. I noticed this on Kashan, I was about 300 KPH nearing the end of the runway so I tried to throttle forward to pull out (Since I obviously wouldn't have made it) and I crashed into the wall.

The runways, and the maps themselves, are just too small. Not to mention you HAVE to make a perfect landing, with absolutely no margin for error, or cost your team a 20 minute asset. Everything in PR is just too small, a brake is required so people can actually survive landing at 100 KPH too fast.

[Chanvlan]

If your going too fast, jump out, the jet will stop instantly. Yes you will get wounded or die but the jet will survive.

Thats how i save many aircraft cept, then some other bast*rd will come and steal my plane.

I watched that flight training video and it makes more sense now but still backwards thrusters on the jets would be nice to slow you down, like on commercial aircraft how the turbines push air backwards. maybe just "redirect" the thrust, slowing the aircraft, in other words "air brakes"

[SuperTimo]

But sometimes in combat you get chased by an enemy fighter or something, or for whatever reason you can't do the full landing prep and you come in a little hot.

well lose the enmey jet first both even attempting your approach

[M.Warren]

Not to be a pain... But as a veteran pilot to PR, I feel the major problem here is Pilot error.

Before I proceed, I would like to point out a free and public training program that was made for Project Reality. You can download it and manually install it following the instructions in the .zip file. This file contains maps, ground vehicles and aircraft for people to learn the proper way of doing things.

Project Reality 0.75 Training Mode

As we were saying...

Yes, the runway on most PR airfields are usually "just enough" to get the aircraft to take off and land properly. Although the runways offer little margin for error, most of the problem is from the players inexperience.

If you do intend to be a pilot, I suggest you spend some time to get used to the aircraft and practice, practice, practice. For starters, getting used to the U.S. F-16 on Kashan Desert would be best. Although the EF-2000 is the easiest to fly, "The Battle of Qinling" is abit tricky as there are trees in the way of the runway and will make it harder for someone who's learning.

Take note that any person can figure out how to take off and fly a plane. Pointing the nose of the plane down the runway and holding the W key and then pulling up on the mouse is not skill, it's simply brain-dead common sense. But the first steps to becoming a successful pilot is learning how to land.

With that you need to learn a few things. Before trying to land, spend some time flying at cloud level on a map and try to stall the aircraft. The idea is to learn how slow an aircraft must really go before it will fall out of the sky. And when I mean stall, I mean to fly straight and level as much as possible while reducing your speed gradually to the point that it begins to drop out of the sky.

You will notice that most if not all Jet Fighters have a critical maximum landing speed of 700 and a critical minimum speed of 650. So if you are able to keep it at 680 you're perfect.

Also you will notice that most Close Air Support Jets have a critical maximum speed of 600 and a critical minimum landing speed of 550. If you can maintain it at 580 you're looking good.

By the way, I'd also like to say that if you're flying an Jet aircraft it is almost imperative that you have a Flight Stick and Throttle combination. Using your mouse and keyboard is archaic and unrefined. Unlike being a soldier, using a boat, driving a car, driving an APC, driving a tank, or flying a helicopter where you can get away with using a mouse and keyboard... Do not try to fly or land a Jet with a mouse and keyboard expecting good results, it's silly and you're heading right into problems. It simply does not offer the amount of control necessary to consistantly land aircraft in a proper manner.

the jets have airbrakes look behind whist putting your thrust to zero, you can see them workingin the F-16 and Mig-29

They're just animated representations of air brakes. They themselves do not slow down the aircraft and only actuate when the throttle is brought down to a level less than 0% throttle otherwise known as "reverse thrust". The "reverse thrust" function was removed, so all that's left is an animation and no true purpose.

[AnRK]

I think I'll be ok with landing now I know the numbers to work with on my throttle, didn't really absorb the first time I watched that anything below 50% dropped your speed and keeping it around 50% kept you at the same speed. Does that work at very high speeds though?