Militia BMP-1 or 2

[gclark03]

Why would the MEC do this if their T-90s work well enough against Western armor?

[M.Warren]

I would really prefer to see the MEC forces ingame use these as both tank and APC, with plenty of them on Kashan and few if no tanks for MEC forces.

Same with Kufrah.

If you're implying that they're to go head-on against M1A2 Abrams and Challenger 2 tanks they won't last.

BMP-3's are a monstrosity of an APC against other APC's but against tanks it isn't going to happen. They may withstand a tank shell well, but they don't have enough firepower to put an enemy tank down.

Within the past 3 days me and one of my gunners (Forgot who it was at the time.) stumbled across a one man Challenger 2 on Al-Kufrah. It just so happened that he was smoking very badly as he took a solid hit from a T-90 nearby to our location. Turned out that he didn't see us and delt him the death blow. Our BMP-3 actually remained active the whole round, I have a newfound respect for that APC.

[GR34]

I remember .5 Bashara with the BDRM I made the mistake to try to pit it against a tank and wow I got owned back to the stone age

[LtSoucy]

4 T-55+ 2 BRDM vs 2 M1A2+4 LAV-25+1 TOW Hummer= 2 Cobras+ 2 A-10's=USMC Pawnage

0.5 basra pwned for USMC. But yes a new APC would be great, but not for INS or Militia.

[M.Warren]

Hence why they would be on an APC respawn, of 15 minutes instead of 20.

So there would be more of them available.

Apparently people feel that it's perfectly allright to have a vehicle that lacks in the department of combat effectiveness. So much so that it's been accepted that getting blown up in it every 15 minutes is just fine and dandy.

I guess there are people out there that love to play the U.S.M.C. side of the "Qwai River" map, getting shot up by Heavy AT every 2 minutes and ensuing Type 98 tank paranoia while in an LAV-25 Pirana.

Yet another laughable supposedly asymmetrical map. Yeah, I've seen the U.S.M.C. win on that map plenty of times. Matter of fact, I think all of the times the U.S.M.C. team had won, was because the Chinese team turned out to be that horrible to allow such a victory.

Anyways back to the topic.

Hopefully we'll see a BMP-2 at some point in the future. The Militia are in need of a practical APC for front line combat... Although, even I must admit what I just said seems alittle Oxymoronish. "a practical APC for front line combat." Now, that's funny.

[Waaah_Wah]

^^Eyy! Qwai is perfectly balanced. TOW humvees rape tanks on that map.

[[T]waylay00]

The BRDM Spandrel is excellent on Mestia, if you know how to use it. All you have to do is park it on the side of the road (preferably in a ditch) concealed by some trees. Then, when an APC comes rolling around the corner, you fire on them. They have no time to react, and it's usually a one shot kill.

I killed four vehicles (2 Warriors, 2 Scimitars, 1 loaded Land Rover) in a row like this one round.

[Bob_Marley]

Besides almost every APC in both Battlefield 2 and Project Reality has the capability of being outfitted with TOW's with the exception of the Scimitar. Even the British Warrior IFV has been equipped with TOW's on the modern battlefield. Don't be fooled by our current models, be informed.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XbSp5pd9dgo[/youtube]

The one with the TOWs is the Desert Warrior, which is not used by the British armed forces. It is employed only by Kuwait. Note the completely different turret armed with a 25mm Bushmaster rather than the 30mm RARDEN used on the British version.

The current British turret on the Warrior has no capacity to mount ATGMs.

Don't assume you know better than a well informed Dev team with numerous active and retired military advisors. Be better informed before you start throwing these amazing "facts" around.

[M.Warren]

The one with the TOWs is the Desert Warrior, which is not used by the British armed forces. It is employed only by Kuwait. Note the completely different turret armed with a 25mm Bushmaster rather than the 30mm RARDEN used on the British version.

The current British turret on the Warrior has no capacity to mount ATGMs.

Don't assume you know better than a well informed Dev team with numerous active and retired military advisors. Be better informed before you start throwing these amazing "facts" around.

Ah, details noted. But what for the other 3 APC's that remain in game?

If this is going to come down to facts, it is factual that the LAV-25 Pirana, WZ-551 and the BTR-90 do have Anti-Tank missles. But still they're currently lacking to be even present on these APC's. Granted they were taken away in previous patches for gameplay balance, but that still defeats the aspect of reality itself.

Also I hope in the same sense these military advisors had informed the Project Reality team about the "Warrior Lethality Improvement Program" otherwise known as WLIP. Which is just a few years down the road if not sooner.

Then again... That would make the turret on the British Warrior MCV-80 currently in game unrealistic, as it does not have any stability compensator to begin with. As the Rarden was origionally a 30mm Anti-Aircraft gun slapped on an APC many years ago.

[Bob_Marley]

The Piranah in US service does not carry TOWs in tandem with the 25mm turret, only the LAV-AT (if its still in service) with its dedicated TOW turret nicked off the M901 carries the missle. IIRC the TOW/25mm variant is used by Oman.

The ZSL92/Type 92/WZ551 does not carry ATGMs with its 25mm or, indeed, the currently protyping/newly introduced 30mm variant. There is a 4x4 dedicated ATGM variant, but not one that actually carries them with the gun. Linky

The BTR-90 (and the BMP-3, while we're at it) does indeed carry ATGMs. However, it has barely even entered service with the Russian forces, IIRC only in limited numbers with the MVD. Though allegedly the Ruskies will have 500+ of them by next year. It also carries a 30mm automatic grenade launcher which is again not represented in PR.

If you are desperately waiting for ATGMs on APCs then .8 might be the version for you, as the Bradley (which is the US Army's APC) is always armed with TOWs, so the MEC might just see thier BTRs and BMPs kitted out how they should be.

[Flanker15]

Putting back the ATGMs but keeping to realistic loadouts would skew the balance. Soviet/Russian PCs are practically all armed (some exceptions like BTR-80) with ATGMs and only the M2A2/3 is armed with ATGM. There is also the LAV-AT, Stryker-AT but they have no cannon.
If you wanted to go further with ATGM you could give the MEC T-90 its ATGM and have it happily running round the map blowing up enemy tanks in one shot with 100% accuracy on the move. That would go down real well.
I'd give the miltia the BMP-1 since if they have the rarer AT-4 BRDM they could certainly get some BMP-1s too.
The one thing I love about the BMP-3 but I'm not sure if it's in PR is: you see on the front hull of the BMP-3 at each side there is a machine gun sticking out!

[steve_06-07]

How about giving all IFV's ATGM's and the APC's none, so the U.S. has the Styker and LAV-25 apc's, then the M2A2 Bradley IFV, the MEC has the BTR-90 APC and the BMP-3 IFV, since the Chinese only has the one APC, just give them the ATGM on it.

[STORM-Mama]

How about giving all IFV's ATGM's and the APC's none, so the U.S. has the Styker and LAV-25 apc's, then the M2A2 Bradley IFV, the MEC has the BTR-90 APC and the BMP-3 IFV, since the Chinese only has the one APC, just give them the ATGM on it.

Just that this will nerf the British. IIRC the Scimitar can't carry ATGMs. But on the other hand their MBT is far superior to its Russian and Chinese counterparts. Giving the MEC and PLA ATGMs would be a good way to balance things out.

[Airsoft]

delete.

[steve_06-07]

Well if Scimitar's can't carry ATGM's then just let the Warrior have them. So that way, no matter what faction, they all have ATGM's. This has gotten of subject so bad, I requested a better ARMORED IFV for the Militia, not putting ATGM's on anything...

[G.Drew]

afaik warriors can only carry AT platoons, not actually mount ATGMs

how about we introduce this bad boy
FV102 Striker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Bob_Marley]

The striker has been removed from service. Thats a good start on why not to add it.

[Dunehunter]

Was suggested recently, got shot down because it's being removed from active service.

[Deadmonkiefart]

The BMP-1 or BMP-2 should be given to the MEC. It is in use with many middle eastern countries right now.