Rally Points

[Sabre_tooth_tigger]

There did used to be a delay of about 2 mins I seem to remember.
I think rp should be about marking your secured territory, representing squad reinforcements & the supply chain.
We should move as far away as possible from the old 'beam me down scotty' sl spawning where troops appear in the middle of a battle

You could set rally point timing according to distance from the main base to reflect logistics of infantry transportation.
A forward bunker or firebase would then help to reduce but not eliminate the delay of setting the rally point.

[00SoldierofFortune00]

"Rally is down"

"ok guys, hold ur spawns, x and y come with me, a keep them away while we set new RP"

^ teamwork resulting in recovery of squad position, in ur way you can't recover for 180 seconds which seems arbitrary to me. It doesnt encourage teamwork, and has no bearing on realism afai see.

its hard to put down a new rally if the squad is being heavily engaged by a on the ball squad, so the current system is great.

^^^^^^^^^This

While you do make a good point, being able to get reinforcements nearly immediately after having your position flanked and presumably most of your squad eliminated isn't realistic either. If one squad takes out a rally often the enemy squad realizes it immediately because the guys spawning in at it tell everyone over voip. Having the enemy squad sprint off for 10 seconds, set a new rally and instantly have another 3 men to fight with isn't a good system in my book. The delay allows the squad that wiped out the rally to search for the survivors, and/or cap the flag.

No, Rudd is correct.

If your RP is taken out, you are likely on the flag. That means you have to get safely off the flag and than place another.

If you are next to your RP when it is taken out, the enemy should kill you if they don't want you to respawn.


Seriously though, anymore RP restrictions are just gonna kill the game.



We don't need anymore rules, players just need more education, and right now, it is pretty easy to find a good squad using teamwork which would be harder with more rules.

[00SoldierofFortune00]

I say change it and lets see !! COuld work out really well and we will have to wait and see WHAT exactly the change is !!

It was like that in a past patch (0.5) and it was annoying as hell. We don't need it again.

There was like a 3 minute delay and it killed squadplay.

[Death_dx]

No, Rudd is correct.

Rudds opinion is correct?

If your RP is taken out, you are likely on the flag. That means you have to get safely off the flag and than place another.

You've never taken out an enemy RP while they've been attacking a flag, or fighting over a neutral flag? Even if you are on the flag and you need to place a new RP, the suggestion I made has no real bearing on it, as by the time you get 100 metres out the time limit would be up.

If you are next to your RP when it is taken out, the enemy should kill you if they don't want you to respawn.

If you are next to the RP when it's taken out you get shot, then you voip your squad that the rally is under attack and guys that aren't dead go set a new one.

[hx.bjoffe]

I think rp should be about marking your secured territory, representing squad reinforcements & the supply chain.
We should move as far away as possible from the old 'beam me down scotty' sl spawning where troops appear in the middle of a battle

RP should be set up inside controlled 'zones,' spawning in groups behind enemy lines has always confused me. I cant really explan it, they're hardly airdropped.
It would slower it down, but be better for teamplay, and some magic would be more explanatory in terms of realism.
That, or make it expendable, so you have to 'quicksave' more often.

[RA::LUNG]

I personally think the squad should have to all stand on one leg and chant shim shala bim for three minutes before a new rally point will be re-established creating the most realistic scenario possible...........dohhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! No really ...... im serious ........... ------------> Otay I was only joshing.

[00SoldierofFortune00]

You've never taken out an enemy RP while they've been attacking a flag, or fighting over a neutral flag? Even if you are on the flag and you need to place a new RP, the suggestion I made has no real bearing on it, as by the time you get 100 metres out the time limit would be up.

No it wouldn't. as I already said, we had the long time limit before and 3 minutes can seem like hours in a fast paced game.

If an enemy takes out our RP while defending a flag, we move immediately to another spot to put an RP which takes about 30 seconds. So you are saying we should wait the other 2:30 minutes to place an RP instead of defending a flag? 3 Minutes sounds like nothing, but we all know how long 5 minutes waiting for another kit is and that is only a 2 minute difference.

If you are next to the RP when it's taken out you get shot, then you voip your squad that the rally is under attack and guys that aren't dead go set a new one.

How can you place one without a SL? I am always SL, so I am speaking as the guy who would be shot defending the RP. Ok, fine, 4 people get away from the RP, but that doesn't mean the SL would get there alive or vice versa.


Like I said, this was tried before and it made no sense to wait.
Waiting=no teamwork and frustration.

[Lynx]

hey minute rally point setup actually sounds good

but can you camouflage the rallies more?

[Fluffywuffy]

Yeh and make it not have a radio static so the enemy has to guess its location by troop movements.

[Lynx]

Yeh and make it not have a radio static so the enemy has to guess its location by troop movements.

I kinda think the radio thing good right now

it gives you a chance to remove it if you're in proximity so you don't get shot in the back by someone who just spawned out of the blue.

[OkitaMakoto]

I just hope the changes dont make it even more difficult to get a rally during a public game than it already is...

When you know the guys in your squad, its easy. When you dont... its unforgiving...

But we shall see We always do!

[Waaah_Wah]

No it wouldn't. as I already said, we had the long time limit before and 3 minutes can seem like hours in a fast paced game.

Last time i checked, PR isnt a fast paced game. And you guys shouldnt complain about things that arent even in-game yet. You dont even know how this would work, all you got was a wink from a DEV. Have some faith The DEV aint stupid

[00SoldierofFortune00]

Last time i checked, PR isnt a fast paced game. And you guys shouldnt complain about things that arent even in-game yet. You dont even know how this would work, all you got was a wink from a DEV. Have some faith The DEV aint stupid

And last time I checked, PR isn't a reality sim. It will always be a mix of fast paced gameplay and reality because you can't change the BF2 engine to something it isn't.

And we had this ingame before already, which is why the ones who experienced it are against it. It didn't work.

[dbzao]

It didn't work because of other bugs in the code in 0.6 beta, nothing related to that particular idea.

And you don't know all the other changes we have planned, so chill out.

[Bob_Marley]

*looks up*

*Goes back to digging fox hole to fight from when the new RP rules wreck PR*



In seriousness, I reserve judgement from the time being, but I still don't like the sound of it.

[00SoldierofFortune00]

It didn't work because of other bugs in the code in 0.6 beta, nothing related to that particular idea.

And you don't know all the other changes we have planned, so chill out.

There was also a delay in a past patch (intended or not) which I believe could be considered similar to the change the OP is suggesting and it didn't end up working.

[Death_dx]

No it wouldn't. as I already said, we had the long time limit before and 3 minutes can seem like hours in a fast paced game.

If an enemy takes out our RP while defending a flag, we move immediately to another spot to put an RP which takes about 30 seconds. So you are saying we should wait the other 2:30 minutes to place an RP instead of defending a flag? 3 Minutes sounds like nothing, but we all know how long 5 minutes waiting for another kit is and that is only a 2 minute difference.

I suggested a 1-3 minute delay for the exact reason that I wasn't sure how long it should be, 30 seconds in your scenario is acceptable to me, especially when you are unlikely to take only 30 seconds getting into position.

How can you place one without a SL? I am always SL, so I am speaking as the guy who would be shot defending the RP. Ok, fine, 4 people get away from the RP, but that doesn't mean the SL would get there alive or vice versa.

Like I said, this was tried before and it made no sense to wait.
Waiting=no teamwork and frustration.

I don't really understand what your trying to say here. If everyone is spawning and attacking a point don't they all have a fairly equal chance of being shot at the rally? I never said everytime the SL lives, but he very often does when I'm in a squad.

[00SoldierofFortune00]

I suggested a 1-3 minute delay for the exact reason that I wasn't sure how long it should be, 30 seconds in your scenario is acceptable to me, especially when you are unlikely to take only 30 seconds getting into position.

It would take a minute at most tp get a new RP down, so those other 1-2 minutes are pretty much wasted.

IMO, if a squad has their RP taken out, that is punishment enough. They are already pretty much pushed back and have to regroup and get down another or just walk from their main or firebase/bunker.

And if a SL survives, than the attacking squad should hunt them down and take them out to make sure that they do not get up a new RP. In real life, no army would just let straglers wounder off, they would hunt them down and kill or capture them. That is already how it is ingame and is pretty good IMO.

I don't really understand what your trying to say here. If everyone is spawning and attacking a point don't they all have a fairly equal chance of being shot at the rally? I never said everytime the SL lives, but he very often does when I'm in a squad.

Yes, everyone has a fairly equal shot of being shot at an RP, including the SL, which makes a delay bad because when you respawn in 30 seconds and than walk 30 seconds to a spot to put an RP, you than have to wait another 1-2 minutes under what you are suggesting which seems like forever.

[Sadist_Cain]

BURN THE RALLY POINTS BURN THEM ALL!!!!

[Waaah_Wah]

And last time I checked, PR isn't a reality sim. It will always be a mix of fast paced gameplay and reality because you can't change the BF2 engine to something it isn't.

And we had this ingame before already, which is why the ones who experienced it are against it. It didn't work.

Did i say that PR is a military sim...? Sometimes reading before responding actually helps.

And may i ask you how the hell do you know how this will get implemented? Like i said, all you got was a wink from a DEV. So wait for 0.8, try it out and then you can whine your *** off if you want.