Top _Cat the great wrote:DID you no that the JFS, CAN NOT TAKE OFF VERTICILY. There are 3 versions
2 - normal long take off and landing
1 - short take off and verticle landing
I completely understand why it is not VTOL but when it come to the coolness scale, i am sorry it is pretty low down when compare to the HArrier. I my eyes it is trying to be like the Harrier but fails in so manys ways (ignoring the fact it is generally better,faster and more powerfull - that is irelivent). Aircraft like the Rator and Tornadoe are far cooler becuase they dont try to be something they are not.
THe second half of waht i have said is completely opnioin so dont try and argue against it with hard "cool" FACTs. SO face the "FACTS" the JSF is so so very uncool, but it does look quite nice. I am also biased by the fact yu yanks made it and are then really really stingy with the software to fly it and then dont let us Brits even make a tiny part. I want to see BRITISH KILLING MACHINES flying off are new fabulous super, duper aircraft carriers!!!!!! Rule Britannia, Britannia rule the waves,
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what is a rator?? i know my plane and dont know those
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Ehm, how?
Jet's are not moveing as fast as IRL.. and not as high as IRL....
Same with helis .... i doubt that they usually fly between buidling as i've seen it lately on urban maps and i doubt that they handle as in IRL
BALANCE is the issue here. IRL attack helicopters make you sh*t your pants when they start killing your mates when you can't even see them. Thats no fun for infantrymen. Be sensible, chaps.
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Top _Cat the great wrote:DID you no that the JFS, CAN NOT TAKE OFF VERTICILY. There are 3 versions
2 - normal long take off and landing
1 - short take off and verticle landing
I completely understand why it is not VTOL but when it come to the coolness scale, i am sorry it is pretty low down when compare to the HArrier. I my eyes it is trying to be like the Harrier but fails in so manys ways (ignoring the fact it is generally better,faster and more powerfull - that is irelivent). Aircraft like the Rator and Tornadoe are far cooler becuase they dont try to be something they are not.
THe second half of waht i have said is completely opnioin so dont try and argue against it with hard "cool" FACTs. SO face the "FACTS" the JSF is so so very uncool, but it does look quite nice. I am also biased by the fact yu yanks made it and are then really really stingy with the software to fly it and then dont let us Brits even make a tiny part. I want to see BRITISH KILLING MACHINES flying off are new fabulous super, duper aircraft carriers!!!!!! Rule Britannia, Britannia rule the waves,
Britons never never never shall be slaves (excluding the UNITED STATE OF AMERICA)
The nations, not— so blest as thee,
Must, in their turns.............
F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) is a military fighter aircraft designed by the United States and the United Kingdom.
STOVL is an acronym for Short Take Off and Vertical Landing.
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Top _Cat the great:
Do note that with F-35 u simplify logistic and maintainance by a very large amount simply because with just an F-35 model u can replace several older aircraft at once using the variant of the F-35 for different purpose. And it is much more economical as well in maintainance cost than most older aircraft.
as for it replacing the harrier, i'd say it's about time...
the harrier is nice to have when ur really short on runway length, but combat wise u can't expect it to duke it out head on with modern fighter jets... they r not even supersonic for christ sake.
and i believe that short takeoff, is really all they need for the plane to perform well with the marines. Sure the harrier can do vertical takeoff, but how many times do harriers ACTUALLY use vertical takeoff?? almost none in comparison to short takeoff, simply because even though harrier can do vertical takeoff, it consumes so much fuel and water reserve that the craft's combat radius will be severely limited and thus negating the advantage u gained with the vertical takeoff ability in the first place.
I read in the paper today that Britain is again considerign dropping out of the JSF program. I realise the chance is still fairly low but it is there. Britain invested 1 billion in the development of the plane but America owns the whole bloody project!!!!!!!
"designed by the United States and the United Kingdom" - what that meant to mean when are refucing to give us some of the softwar codes to fly the planes.
Any way it does not look like a british or european plane. Even though the Brtish airindustry is pretty much dead when compared to 40 years ago.
FACE the facts: it is an American design. I dont mind this but in a certain way i would like to see another true completely British design!
unfortunately, designing an aircraft from groundup is an extremely expensive venture not to mention highly risky.
the thing with harrier is that they really ought to be replaced soon, their capability might have been fine in the falkland war, but if they were to face a modern jet here and now, i doubt they will stand a chance. and i don't think britain has the money or the time to design a new one from scratch.
Top _Cat the great wrote:DID you no that the JFS, CAN NOT TAKE OFF VERTICILY. There are 3 versions
2 - normal long take off and landing
1 - short take off and verticle landing
I completely understand why it is not VTOL but when it come to the coolness scale, i am sorry it is pretty low down when compare to the HArrier. I my eyes it is trying to be like the Harrier but fails in so manys ways (ignoring the fact it is generally better,faster and more powerfull - that is irelivent). Aircraft like the Rator and Tornadoe are far cooler becuase they dont try to be something they are not.
THe second half of waht i have said is completely opnioin so dont try and argue against it with hard "cool" FACTs. SO face the "FACTS" the JSF is so so very uncool, but it does look quite nice. I am also biased by the fact yu yanks made it and are then really really stingy with the software to fly it and then dont let us Brits even make a tiny part. I want to see BRITISH KILLING MACHINES flying off are new fabulous super, duper aircraft carriers!!!!!! Rule Britannia, Britannia rule the waves,
Britons never never never shall be slaves (excluding the UNITED STATE OF AMERICA)
The nations, not— so blest as thee,
Must, in their turns.............
Okay 90% of this post was random.. but yeah the F-35B is STOVL
opinions, my good friend. Facts are not always good for the mind. Imagine a converstion with just FACTs- boring. MY general point was: i both hate and love the JSF and yu American have so much "polictical power" over us lot across the pond.
Rifleman wrote:Ehm, how?
Jet's are not moveing as fast as IRL.. and not as high as IRL....
Same with helis .... i doubt that they usually fly between buidling as i've seen it lately on urban maps and i doubt that they handle as in IRL
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Umm, there's no balance in real life. And guess what, this game is trying to be realistic so balance matters not, or at least doesn't matter much if it sacrifices realism.
And choppers can fly and will fly between buildings if needed and they are not very hard to fly in real life (they're actually quite easy from what I've been told from some pilots, the avionics is the hard part and also all the physics and math you have to study but actually flying the chopper is pretty easy and they manouver extremely well - yes, choppers can do vertical loops and barrel rolls in real life).
Sir. Mavrik347 wrote:eg. The Apache, in BF2 it is terrible compared to real life, the missle count and armour, not to mension the fire rate are all out, this is how it should be:
AH-64D [Apache]
Length: 17.73m
Height: 4.05m
Wingspan: 5.2m
Vertical rate of climb: 1775ft/min
Max rate of climb: 2635ft/min
Top speed: 182 mph
Armourment:
1 M230 30mm chaingun with 1200 rounds; 76 70mm rockets; 4 (or more under wings) Air-to-air missiles; 16 Laser Hellfire Missles; 16 RF Hellfire Missles;
See what I mean? You don't even get 76 rockets to start with! Let alone the rest... Will Project Reality provide us with the Apache we all know and love?
you realize of course that it cannot carry all of that at one time right?
Demio:
choppers can fly in between buildings allright, but if they hit ANYTHING with their blade, nasty things will occur, and none will be pleasant for the pilot i can assure you. And if their blade actually started chipping into a concrete wall of a building for instance by moving too close to the building.... well. ... u can guess what will happen... worse still if the blade caught heavy cables and the likes... that's pretty much a deathtrap.
so.. can they fly like that? yeah sure... to an extent... but will they do it?? doubt it... unless the circumstances is enough to make the risk worth it.
that aside, we want MORE realism from BF2 with PRMM, but i don't think we're asking for the ULTIMATE realism with it... an ultimate realism game is NOT fun i assure u, not when the engine is still highly limited and missing many key component that will make such realism fun.
And unless i've been perceiving the game wrongly, i believe more realism is exactly the stance of PRMM development, not ultimate best absolute (oh dear... i shouldn't have done that) realism. (can u even call such a thing a game for that matter?)
rockets actually ^_^; .... ok ok geez.... i meant no harm...
i'd like to add that if we make the gunnery more realistic for these gunships, then let the pilot fire the rockets in salvos instead of the single fire settings.
the point about chopper blades hitting stuff is a good one and i think it would cause chopper pilots to fly more carfully and treat the choppers like assets and not toys like they are currently used.
i forgot what was the standard salvo number for the US gunships, each pod has single and salvo setting and both pod on left and right can be fired either separately or linked all controllable from the cockpit's weapon control setting.
