How to stop people abandoning vehicles?

[vilhelm123]

This idea i posted originally in the 'Enemy weapons on vehicles' thread and only applies really to Insurgency maps as a way of trying to combat the large amount of dumped vehicles that are always all over the map (particularly Basra).

How about if insurgents find a truck or landy and are within, say, 5 meters of their cell leader they can request certain kits off it?

Before you guys blast me, no i don't mean limited ones i simply mean like the Rifleman or for cell leaders the officer kit but with less ammo for each weapon so as to represent the fact that the vehicles previous occupants would have taken some themselves. The drive behind this idea is to represent the insurgents raiding the vehicles supplies. It'd help promote some squad play in the insurgents and would also hopefully cut down on using the vehicles purely as a one man lift rather than as a combat weapon.
You’d never ever leave vehicles lying about if it meant you were handing insurgents new toys to play with.

[hx.bjoffe]

Not a good suggestion, imo. As it will have absolutely no effect on the smurfs abandoning vehicles.. Critizise them in chat instead.
Still, cool idea to request a 'crippled' rifleman kit or two off a jeep, enemy even.

[Rhino]

letting enemys use jeeps in any kind of way is not going to stop players from dumping them...

[darkwarrior666]

Keep in mind that jeeps aren't always dumped because one tard decided he needed a fast ride into the battlefield, and swiped the jeep and booked it. Countless times on Basrah have me and two others taken a land rover, and drove into the battlefield only to be engaged by an Insurgent ambush, getting us either shot in the vehicle, or forcing us out of the vehicle, where we subsequently get shot. Now, what happens is...the insurgents don't destroy the vehicle, because they know that it won't respawn, and that they have to come fetch/destroy it themselves.

[AnRK]

The problem is everyone obviously wants to avoid walking all the way to the front, obviously. But what are squads supposed to do after they've got to where they want a rally, set it up and want to start an assault? Going in with all guns blazing out of a command truck isn't gonna be a very good option alot of the time, so people can either walk all the way from main to setup rallies, or abandon vehicles.

Of course there are occasions where you can keep transport near your rally, in case you need to get to another part of the map quickly due to some **** up after everyone died. But most of the time once you've done whatever your doing wherever you are, you want to be advancing to keep pressure up on the enemy, not going back for a Land Rover or whatever.

If people were willing to drive a supply truck all game long, then there wouldn't be this problem. However it's not quite the same thrill as flying, so very very very very few people do it.

I think the only real way to resolve this is to have some command on supply trucks, and perhaps hummers and the like, to make them disappear into thin air and then spawn back at main after a while to simulate being transported by a 3rd party. There's probably some flaws in either coding that, or the gameplay implications of that, but I can't think of any at the moment. If something like that works or not, I still don't think it's possible for even the best of squads to look after transport all the time.

[Scot]

Also in real life, you have for eg Brits, a Warrior insertion for them, they do their stuff with support from a FSG with the Landys and the .50s, you have designated drivers and stuff to do that, not so in PR.

[Outlawz7]

The real question would be 'how to stop retards car jacking your only transport/.50 cal in order to get themselves killed for no f*cking reason'.

The other day on Kashan some prick stole the Humvee we had for defense against Supercows on Kashan 16p with my squad's Heavy AT guy in it and drove over half the map then died since I managed to get enough rounds into him to start bleeding when he drove past my face.

Or jumping into a Humvee to deploy an ammo cache as my squad mate is using the .50 cal and we both get kidnapped by some retard who drives us straight into 3 enemy squads getting him and us killed. Then calls us 'pussies' and 'lame' because all we do is 'sit around with that jeep when we could go into action'

Or a guy trying to nick the Humvee I used for defense of East Beach on Jabal. I get into the driver seat for a few moments, then switch to the .50 and the guy jumps back in faster than ninja and drives me past an enemy bunker again with truck load of enemies, getting me killed, then drives through the entire map to get to West beach on the other side of the map and dies. Meanwhile we lose East Beach.

/topic

[vilhelm123]

Fair points guys

How do you guys think it stands up as just an idea rather than a way of stopping abandoned vehicles?

[RCMoonPie]

Okay.....what about this....

Is there any way possible to make it so certain vehicles could be "scrapped" or destroyed once they reach a certain point of disrepair or are crippled?
This is a common practice IRL when vehicles cant be towed or reach a state where they are unrepairable out on the front-lines, This practice deprives the enemy of any opportunity of making use of spare parts, weapons systems, or comm gear.

Since most vehicles have different levels of damage, it could be made so once a certain level is reached.....and after the vehicle is a certain distance from the main base.....the vehicle could be destroyed by FF in order to "deprive the enemy" and also to allow the vehicle to respawn.

This would also come in handy and add a great deal of realism should enemy be allowed to ever use the F2 gun seat on certain vehicles.

"We had better destroy this crippled landy. If we dont, Haji will be along soon, and use this 50 cal on us or another unsuspecting squad!"

Kick ***!

[Gore]

then drives through the entire map to get to West beach on the other side of the map and dies. Meanwhile we lose East Beach.

I can just picture it...

[Threedroogs]

it would be cool if a cell leader could drop a deconstruct (or salvage) order on an enemy jeep. get enough insurgent wrenches on it and the cell leader gets a deployable .50 cal.

i like the idea of insurgents getting something off stranded jeeps.


<edit> and i know insurgents dont get wrenches...yet, at least.

[cannibal23]

this is how you stop having them abandon all over the place.

in your squad you designate a driver. thats all this guy is going to do. he gets the eng kit. he stays in your transport at all times no matter what. when its not moving he is on the 50. if some other duche tries to take the vehical ask them once nicely and if they still take it your squad mate can pop him in the head. basicly someone here has to take one for the team and be the wheel man. always stay in control of your vehical. even if that means dropping your squad off and then driving back into friendly teratory. really thats all you can do. i doubt very much that any kind of incentive you try to present to tardrush type people will count for much as they are not really interested in helping the team or they would be giving people a lift instead of just taking off with assets alone in the first place.

[hx.bjoffe]

No sometimes you leave it, it's just how it's got to be. Preferably by a RP.
Just don't abandon it in the middle of the woods when walking is just as quick, park it so others can reclaim it.

[Gore]

What cannibal said.

[Skodz]

Keep in mind that jeeps aren't always dumped because one tard decided he needed a fast ride into the battlefield, and swiped the jeep and booked it. Countless times on Basrah have me and two others taken a land rover, and drove into the battlefield only to be engaged by an Insurgent ambush, getting us either shot in the vehicle, or forcing us out of the vehicle, where we subsequently get shot. Now, what happens is...the insurgents don't destroy the vehicle, because they know that it won't respawn, and that they have to come fetch/destroy it themselves.

True, yesterday night, playing as insurgent on Basrah, we did ambushed 2 british jeep, killed his crew and we did not destroyed it.

Although, a lot of peoples does abandon vehicles everywhere for no reason. Thats annoying as hell but very hard to stop...

[RCMoonPie]

True, yesterday night, playing as insurgent on Basrah, we did ambushed 2 british jeep, killed his crew and we did not destroyed it.

Although, a lot of peoples does abandon vehicles everywhere for no reason. Thats annoying as hell but very hard to stop...

This is a prime example of why the F2 gunner seat should be opened up to enemy.
Had that seat been opened up, you could have crewed the weapon....just the weapon......not drive.....the vehicle would have been your team's at that point......to use the weapon only. That 's fair.....its the spoils of war.
Also....now....the Brits could destroy that vehicle with impunity.....and then its available for spawn.

Win , win.

[cyberzomby]

Yea I dont think you can stop this. I like the command to return it to base. It only sucks that it will just dissapear. Not very realistic.

[vilhelm123]

Is there any way possible to make it so certain vehicles could be "scrapped" or destroyed once they reach a certain point of disrepair or are crippled?

That idea I really like because it would mean that if you were done with a vehicle then you could almost 'send it back to base' as it were but not have to use any c4 or physically take it back.


Have it on a squad leaders rose and to prevent people being a prat could only can be used on unmanned light vehicles? e.g. Hummers?

[Death_dx]

I figure the proper thing to do is demo your own truck if you are not going to be needing it again, unfortunately since most people do not realize that this is usually the better option, and since most likely no one is an engineer, how about implementing a "self destruct" in hummers+equivalent perhaps limit it to only squad leaders w/ officer kit and give it a 30 second delay before blowing the jeep up. IRL soldiers would demo it rather than let it fall into enemy hands no?

[llPANCHOll]

Here is an Idea:

Build Firebases and Bunkers... Build as many as you are allowed!! Vehicles spawn every 5 minutes.. If you spawn at a firebase and there is a freshly spawned vehicle in front of the FB or bunker and you arent in need of a vehicle.. jump in the thing and move it 10 feet so that another vehicle can spawn in 5 minutes... Soon you will be awash in vehicles..

I figure the proper thing to do is demo your own truck if you are not going to be needing it again, unfortunately since most people do not realize that this is usually the better option, and since most likely no one is an engineer, how about implementing a "self destruct" in hummers+equivalent perhaps limit it to only squad leaders w/ officer kit and give it a 30 second delay before blowing the jeep up. IRL soldiers would demo it rather than let it fall into enemy hands no?

Please no!!