Some Realistic Plane Ideas from TBF2

SnY_pEr · Post by **SnY_pEr** » 2006-03-27 21:09

22viPer22 wrote:Ok, so I had a previous post about heavy bombers and cloud barriers. this time it is about gforces and aircraft stressing. If your plane makes an incredibly hard turn, I know in this game in dogfights we are pulling 10g's or more, you pilot should black out during the turn, and your plane could recieve some damage if it was severe enough. This way, missiles would also break up in those crazy turns, because in real life they can't pull that kind of force. This way, dogfighting might take more skill. My main point however, is interactive damage. You shoot a missile and it hits their left wing, and they lose around half their health bar. How about their wing is blown off and severely damaged, and they have to make it back to base or eject(btw, ADD EJECTION SEATS). Or if you fire some bullets through the engine nozzle, maybe they will lose some engine power and boost. I know dice, that it is hard to model this, but it is just a crazy idea by me, which I think could work.

What do you guys think?

Resjah · Post by **Resjah** » 2006-03-27 21:23

An F-16 pilot, due to the 30 degree reclined seat can successfeully pull of a 9G turn, and the plane itself can withstand higher Gs. This cant be said for all fighters but should give you an example of what is possible in real life.

Dogfighting missiles can also pull up to 12G turns, such as the AIM-9 sidewinder.

It has been discussed on these forums that adding ejection seats might not be possible and would cause more problems then they are worth.

Firing the cannon will have little effect on an aircrafts performance and speed, unless of course its the A-10 firing its main gun.

Im not too sure on the damage models and stuff like that, as i am no modeler or coder

Figisaacnewton · Post by **Figisaacnewton** » 2006-03-27 21:45

Collision models all need to be redone and more complex, as they are currently very simplified. This is especially bad with the J10, which, along with having the tightest turning, also the the least volume in its collision mesh, and the smallest front/back cross section.

SnY_pEr · Post by **SnY_pEr** » 2006-03-27 21:46

So would it be possible to have a pilot pass out at a certain point?

It would add to the realism alot cause some pilots in BF2 can pull some major major turns and i wouldnt know how they wouldnt pass out?

Resjah · Post by **Resjah** » 2006-03-27 21:55

What needs to be fixed is how tight of a turn you could make depending on the speeds you are at and the actual speed you are moving. The F-16s best turn rate is achieved between the speeds of 320-360n.m. In game you might be going 800n.m. and this isnt visually represented but the representation should be toned down a bit. A plane would handle poorly if it was going 800nm.

Im not sure if it would be possible to have the pilot actually blackout or redout, i could be (and i actually hope) im wrong.

SnY_pEr · Post by **SnY_pEr** » 2006-03-27 22:00

Yeah i wish this could be possible... I agree about your facts and wonder if the modders here have noticed that and have decided to make the flying a little tougher to do and more realistic... like this mod is supposed to be

TII · Post by **TII** » 2006-03-28 00:16

I doubt the flight models in this game are sophisticated enough to model the differences between rate and radius at varying airspeeds. Acceleration seems faster than deceleration as well.

??: I'm still of the mind that helicopters are more than adequate for the air role considering the size of the maps.

PS FLyboy, you'd be dead meat in a Viper at those speeds, 380-440kts is max corner for the F-16 at 9g

Resjah · Post by **Resjah** » 2006-03-28 01:44

TII wrote:I doubt the flight models in this game are sophisticated enough to model the differences between rate and radius at varying airspeeds. Acceleration seems faster than deceleration as well. ??: I'm still of the mind that helicopters are more than adequate for the air role considering the size of the maps.

PS FLyboy, you'd be dead meat in a Viper at those speeds, 380-440kts is max corner for the F-16 at 9g

ahh yes, you right. But hey i was remembering of the top of my head

TII · Post by **TII** » 2006-03-28 03:29

'[R-PUB wrote:FlyBoy']ahh yes, you right. But hey i was remembering of the top of my head

One thing I just thought. Could the speed/altimeter in the aircraft be metric? Makes since for the ridiculously high numbers you see...

Post by **Hitperson** » 2006-03-28 07:15

'[R-PUB wrote:FlyBoy']ahh yes, you right. But hey i was remembering of the top of my head

ah well

fly boy do you fly and what do you fly??

Lugubrum · Post by **Lugubrum** » 2006-03-28 15:38

http://www.download.com/F-A-18-Hornet-3 ... 65581.html

In this game your screen turns black when you make really sharp turns. It's a realistic flight simulator (well, I don't know if it's realistic cause I never flied a plane myself :lol

. Maybe some of these things are good ideas for PR?... Like controlling your landing wheels. And I would like to see you have to land the plane to get new ammunition.

Top_Cat_AxJnAt · Post by **Top_Cat_AxJnAt** » 2006-03-28 19:15

they should make it harder to take off, every plane in this game apperas to pocess super STOL abilities. THe air speed indicator is alos stupid becuase i was hoveriring once and it said i was doing 50 but a man was springing below and he was level with me!. It needs to be divided by 3 and this would make it alot more realistic. I do not care if my jet can only do 500 but i do care if it says i am doing 1000 when i am really only doing 300.

Top_Cat_AxJnAt · Post by **Top_Cat_AxJnAt** » 2006-03-28 19:17

how do i delete this?

Resjah · Post by **Resjah** » 2006-03-28 20:53

'[R-PUB wrote:Hitperson']ah well

fly boy do you fly and what do you fly??

Yes in fact i do fly, but sadly not military jets yet though

. I will recieve my Solo Pilots license when i turn 16, in a month, and i fly these two planesDA-20 , i love flying this plane becuase instead of a yoke, it has a stick like a fighter plane, and is also very maneuverable, fun to fly and do some neat stuff in. And this one, the Cessna 182 I fly this one whenever the Da-20 is unavailable.

But i also consider my self a bit active with the USAF, as i have attended their Air Education and Training Command course in Colombus AFB, missouri, its where fighter pilots are trained, and i had a chance to fly in one of these T-38 which is the Air Force's training plane. I have also been to an AF Pararescue course in KirtLand AFB, New Mexico (hardest thing i have done in life yet), as well as numerous other trips to other AFBs.

But now im seriously off topic

'Lugubrum' wrote:http://www.download.com/F-A-18-Horne..._4-865581.html

In this game your screen turns black when you make really sharp turns. It's a realistic flight simulator (well, I don't know if it's realistic cause I never flied a plane myself :lol . Maybe some of these things are good ideas for PR?... Like controlling your landing wheels. And I would like to see you have to land the plane to get new ammunition.

I think its a possibility that PR will eventually make it required for planes to land to re-arm, controlling your landing gear would also be nice as well. I didnt download that Flight-sim, but judging from the year it was uploaded ,1997, i can say flight sims have made a considerable leap, check out Falcon 4.0.

'Top _Cat the great' wrote:they should make it harder to take off, every plane in this game apperas to pocess super STOL abilities - this is morally wrong, like a m4 that can fire helfire missles, please rectafire this!
THe air speed indicator is alos stupid becuase i was hoveriring once and it said i was doing 50 but a man was springing below and he was level with me!. It need to be divide by 3 and this would make it alot more realistic. I do not care if my jet can only do 500 but i do care if it says i am doing 1000 when i am really only doing 300.

Well, it would be impossible to do realistic runway lengths for PR, as most military runways go between 3-4km, and most maps in BF2 run that range, so i dont anyone would want a runway to take up the whole map

, but i do agree, the distance it requires for them to take off should be increased.

Also with Fighter jets, the Airspeed indicator actually doesnt measure such low speeds, you wont see a fighter plane that says you are going 7nm, their cut off range for most planes airspeed being measured is usually between 50-60nm, so you might actually be moving 5nm, but your airspeed indicator will show like 50nm, its something DICE actually got right.

And the yes, the Airspeed indicator also needs to be toned down on planes.

Top_Cat_AxJnAt · Post by **Top_Cat_AxJnAt** » 2006-03-28 21:16

ok i will admit i was not sure how the speed numbers where calculated and i am not sure waht "(number) nm" means!

Post by **Wraith** » 2006-03-28 22:07

'[R-PUB wrote:FlyBoy']I have also been to an AF Pararescue course in KirtLand AFB, New Mexico (hardest thing i have done in life yet)

Ahh the good days. I used to be an Air Force Combat Controller back in the day... LOL, the 98-99 day that is, rofl. Even those truncated courses are hard as hell. Of 144 Potentials we had 12 graduate our pipeline and that was considered an above average pass rate.

TII · Post by **TII** » 2006-03-28 23:45

DA-20 is a nice airplane, albeit quite a bit slow if you want to do cross country. I did all of my training and soloing in a 172 when I was in high school.

wushu1 · Post by **wushu1** » 2006-03-29 01:33

I like the idea of blackouts and redouts, but I think they should be dumbed down for the sake of gameplay. Also the effect could be something like when you get shot you have that red boarder around your screen except should be alot more severe. Also I think that you vision should get blurred and your controls delayed a bit. thats just my input, and no I dint have and flying experience, but my father was a flight engineer for a KC-130 and is in the proccess of getting his private pilots liscense soon. Is that close enough

six7 · Post by **six7** » 2006-03-29 02:12

Top _Cat the great wrote:ok i will admit i was not sure how the speed numbers where calculated and i am not sure waht "(number) nm" means!

NM=nautical miles
its actually pretty close to regular miles. the ratio to regular mile is 1:1.15 (so one NM= about 1.8KM). seems kinda pointless

Post by **Hitperson** » 2006-03-29 07:27

jsf is a great flight sim i advise getting it.