[Question]On the Huey

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Re: [Question]On the Huey

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Maverick wrote:If they're so easy to shoot down, then why they have no guns?(sides from squadron mates)
Because arming them doesn't make them harder to shoot down. The threat to the helicopter isn't really the small-arms fire, although IRL it is dangerous to them. In-game, the biggest threat to helicopters from the ground is generally MANPAD missiles, Heavy Anti-Tank weapons, 12.7 and 14.5mm machine guns and Light Anti-Tank weapons in that order.

With the possible exception of the HMGs, by the time the helicopter is aware of the threat (either because there's a streak of smoke charging towards the bird or a threat tone sounding), there's generally very little any door gunner can do to neutralise the threat. Even in the case of heavy automatic fire, the chance that door gunners are able to locate and then supress and/or kill the threat before the bird has suffered pretty major damage is pretty slim.

All that door guns do is allow small-arms fire to be supressed at an unexpectedly hot EZ/LZ, and even then they'll probably be insufficient to stop major damage to the passengers or crew, even though the bird itself is likely to survive.

In short:

Transport helicopters don't survive because they've got door gunners on them. They survive because they stay away from enemy units, don't attract attention to themselves and get the hell out of the area once attention is focused on them.

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Re: [Question]On the Huey

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Where do we have 14.5's in PR? Vodnik or the Militia APC??
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Re: [Question]On the Huey

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as some ppl stated b4...hueys are rarley armed..maybe we could use both armed and unarmed ones..like mix them in a map
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Re: [Question]On the Huey

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Waaah_Wah wrote:Where do we have 14.5's in PR? Vodnik or the Militia APC??
The Militia APC and the AA guns that were in .7 are 14.5mm.
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Re: [Question]On the Huey

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^^I thought the AAA was 20mm? It can easily kill APCs for the love of God
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Re: [Question]On the Huey

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Waaah_Wah wrote:^^I thought the AAA was 20mm? It can easily kill APCs for the love of God
If you throw enough 14.5 rounds at something it'll generally shred armour, and those tripple-As were quad-barrel remember - each with a practical firing rate of around 150-200 rpm (and a maximum of 600). That's between 600 and 800 rounds a minute heading downrange. The first soviet 14.5mm weapons were single shot and semi-auto anti-tank rifles in WW2.

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Re: [Question]On the Huey

Post by kf_reaper »

you know what is fun? and i do this allot with the merlen and huey ill take an scoped rifle man or marksman kit. set up in a hot spot ware they keep bring in the helos and take kill shots or bleaders at the polite. thows nice big open doors and windows. but the black hacks are another story the gunners open fire on me they don't always hit or kill me but it keeps me from trying to get that shot. and sometimes if they have crazy helo polites and were having problems with them me or one of my guys take a Light-AT and put it throw the door killing all in the helo. buy to me the huey is the EZ one to kill
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Re: [Question]On the Huey

Post by mangeface »

Well, if any of you look at video clips, we Marines use Hueys as attack helicopters, not transports. I'd like to see the all the Hueys, especially the utilities, armed with at least a .50 and M240D. If you look at pictures, that's usually how we arm them. Or we do a .50 on one side, and a M134 on the other.
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Re: [Question]On the Huey

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darkside12 wrote:Well, if any of you look at video clips, we Marines use Hueys as attack helicopters, not transports. I'd like to see the all the Hueys, especially the utilities, armed with at least a .50 and M240D. If you look at pictures, that's usually how we arm them. Or we do a .50 on one side, and a M134 on the other.
Generally Marine Huey's are only armed in the role of Attack. If you put in Guns and ammunition, the cabin is usually gutted out for extra fuel and ammunition.
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Re: [Question]On the Huey

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darkside12 wrote:Well, if any of you look at video clips, we Marines use Hueys as attack helicopters, not transports.
Does that mean that the transport huey in PR is totally unrealistic?
As there a a couple of military advisers here, the only reason would be a Knighthawk model that's missing. Any volunteers? :D
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Re: [Question]On the Huey

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Well, if one thinks about it, yes, they do have door guns. Yes, they do fit them.

Why would one have a Huey without even basic self defense beyond kamikaze if you're in a KNOWN combat zone? If you had higher-ups doing this funny stuff, it'd be time to do some fragging...
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Re: [Question]On the Huey

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Turned my transport huey into an att huey with a forward facing stinger missle, killed a tech with it lol
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Re: [Question]On the Huey

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Holy necro.
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This is what you fellas need.

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Re: [Question]On the Huey

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spawncaptain wrote:Does that mean that the transport huey in PR is totally unrealistic?
As there a a couple of military advisers here, the only reason would be a Knighthawk model that's missing. Any volunteers? :D
I'd like to see a source from where that came from. They're used in both roles darkside.
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Re: [Question]On the Huey

Post by Bamtoman »

Who needs door guns when you could make a Huey to a mini-ac130 =)
You just need a SAW and a HAT and never hover
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Re: [Question]On the Huey

Post by Nano516 »

Drunkenup wrote:Generally Marine Huey's are only armed in the role of Attack. If you put in Guns and ammunition, the cabin is usually gutted out for extra fuel and ammunition.
Well thats not completely true Thats what I tho the Cobra was for lol
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Re: [Question]On the Huey

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Nano516 wrote:Well thats not completely true Thats what I tho the Cobra was for lol
They send in the armed Hueys for light attack, but when they need the high penetration of the 20mm rounds and Hellfires, the Cobras will be called in.
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Re: [Question]On the Huey

Post by TheLean »

Door guns below miniguns are pretty useless in PR, atleast for me. For some reason I can never hit what I am aiming at with the skycows guns even if I have it in my sights. Do you have to somehow compensate for the forward movement of the helicopter when aiming at a non-moving target? In one way it is plausible that the bullet should continue forward with the same momentum as the helicopter, meaning the bullet would travel sideways with the direction of the helicopter when shooting at a target with 90 degrees angle from the helicopter. A helicopter travelling at 200 km/h could mean the bullet would travel with that velocity in the same direction as the helicopter during its flightpath. That would explain why I usually miss, since it would mean a bullet that flies for half a second before impact would land 27.5 meters to the side of my target if my calculations isnt all messed up (200km/h=55 meters per second). On the other hand it feels like air resistance would slow that sideways momentum down pretty fast. Any real life door gunner on this forum that could explain how it works? Also, how does it work in PR, does the bullet have any sideways momentum in it when leaving the helictoper?
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Re: [Question]On the Huey

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going to add hueys rock
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