Field Dressing 4 Sniper Kits

[@bsurd]

Hi guys.

Have played with my m8 a couple of times as a 2 Man Sniper Squad.

Works very well.

The only Problem is see is:

The Special Forces Kit has 3 Fields(He often is alone far in enemy teretory,think that why he have these 3)

But the sniper act´s in the same way.

So i ask the question how would you find it if the Sniper kit also has 3 Fields for himself?

[SuperTimo]

nope we dont want lone wolfs , team up with a spec ops guy, he can spot, laze targets and give you filed dressings

[Thermis]

I can agree with that since when used correctly the sniper kit is a off by your self kit. The only problem I could foresee is snipers relying on the dressings more than finding good hiding spots.

[SuperTimo]

the sniper kit is a off by your self kit.

i dont beleive there is any kit in PR that can be described as such, a sniper should have a spotter to be effective, so many times on maps like archer ive seen people on their own with the sniper kit who miss all their shots and can be killed easily by coming up behind them or even fromt he side. extra field dressings are just going to engourage more lone wolfing

[google]

SuperTimo is completely right. This is not the game for lonewolves who think that having a sniper kit makes them better and makes them think that they are contributing to the team by simply going off alone to get some kills. If you are this kind of person, I suggest vanilla

[Swe_Olsson]

85% of the time snipers are a waste of a precious slot

now my numbers arent 100% accurate but you get the idea

[Thermis]

If the sniper kit is used correctly then the sniper should be off by himself observing enemy troop movements. The sniper kit shouldn't be used as a "killing machine" kit I totally agree with that. The sniper should be hidden and take shots of opportunity. Extra field dressings would help. Saying that a sniper should always work with a spec ops is a waste of the spec ops resources when he could be off killing enemy assets instead of spotting or a sniper.

[SuperTimo]

possibly however you dont need a spec ops kit its just a good kit for a role, if in a sqd of 3 of an officer kit works well, or failing that a rifleman or medic.

[@bsurd]

guys, you read my open Tread?

I 90 % on the battlefield with my spotter. But then you have 4 fields for 2 Guys... Thats not very much if you be like me and my m8. We are so often far away of any friendly troops that can help us out if we get under fire and have to move fast to another good position.

I dont wanne the 3 fields for the sniper kit to force lone wolfing. Im only boring of get wounded and then have to move back the half map, an that on enemy teretory because of get a hit and be bleeding...

Or used my field, bleeding stops, and then get shoot because i wanne rearm and so have to leave my save position.

Hope now the "why" is explained a little better.

Btw. i hate lone wolfing guys. But as a Sniper team you have to open your own 2 man squad. Because the most SL dont want a sniper in the SQ that lay far away and dont bring any help...

[Drakenberg]

there will be more dressings for snipers in 0.8

[ReaperMAC]

there will be more dressings for snipers in 0.8

And where did you get this info from?

[crazy11]

When Jonny and Zangoo's ballistics come out you will need a spotter to get range. And maybe want to get lots of practice.

[Spaz]

I don't think the sniper should have more field dressings. The sniper should stay in a position where he or she can't/will not get shot at. And with only 1 field dressing the sniper got more need of a spotter with the spec ops kit that can heal she or he.

[Majorpain]

If your getting shot at as a sniper, your doing something wrong.

[Thermis]

When Jonny and Zangoo's ballistics come out you will need a spotter to get range. And maybe want to get lots of practice.

I figure then you give the snipers spotting scopes and force them to work in teams like IRL. The ballistics will make a good sniper worth his weight in gold.

[davetboy_19]

If your a Sniper you shouldn't be anywhere near the front line, let alone close enough to get shot. Snipers should stay around 400M + away from where they MIGHT kill someone, if you can't kill someone with one good shot from that distance 8 out of 10 times then pick a Marksman kit and get a little closer.

And Snipers should never be used as a 'kill everything that moves' kit, Only take out important targets to minimize your chances of getting shot. Kill Squad Leaders or if your lucky a Commmander, Next to kill is other Snipers, then Marksman, Medic. Anyone under Medic you shouldn't waste your time/expose your location. (if there is Armour running about and they have a kit that will take it out i.e RPG, LAT or HAT then get them too.)

[Truism]

If your a Sniper you shouldn't be anywhere near the front line, let alone close enough to get shot. Snipers should stay around 400M + away from where they MIGHT kill someone, if you can't kill someone with one good shot from that distance 8 out of 10 times then pick a Marksman kit and get a little closer.

And Snipers should never be used as a 'kill everything that moves' kit, Only take out important targets to minimize your chances of getting shot. Kill Squad Leaders or if your lucky a Commmander, Next to kill is other Snipers, then Marksman, Medic. Anyone under Medic you shouldn't waste your time/expose your location. (if there is Armour running about and they have a kit that will take it out i.e RPG, LAT or HAT then get them too.)

No. Just no.

You don't understand what sniper is for in PR, and you're crapping on about its limitations and capabilties.

As someone said, snipers are observers who engage TARGETS OF OPPORTUNITY. You don't have the luxury of picking which man in a squad to kill, because moving your scope means you can't shoot accurately. You have to wait for someone to stand still for 3-4 seconds BARE MINIMUM before you can shoot them. This is part of the reason why you won't be shooting things from 400 meters away - because the sniper rifle just isn't that accurate in most situations. Moreover, there are only a handful of situations where you could possibly have line of sight to someone 400 meters away, and most of them involve being in a position with NO CONCEALMENT (such as up a tower). There's no way of sweetening what I'm saying - you're lieing by inference about what you can do as a sniper.

Being a sniper in PR generally isn't about killing people at all. The kit just isn't as good as others at doing it. The kit is only effective at killing people consistantly from ranges that other weapons are more effective (though less efficient) at. The job of a sniper in PR is to report enemy movements, and to slow enemies down by scaring the bejesus out of them. A suppressed soldier is less likely to make sensible choices about his next move - he is more likely to move into areas of high cover and to move more cautiously, or to attempt to locate the sniper rather than complete a useful objective. You heard me - a sniper's job is to miss just as often as it is to hit. Of course a hit is preferable (causing everything a miss would, but with the bonus of damage/kills), but if the choice is between taking no shot (perhaps waiting for a perfect/kill shot), and stalling a squad in a strategically or tactically poor location, then you SHOULD take the shot.

To this end, a sniper should pick a concealed location, where he will have sight of enemy movements, and take shots in a limited area to mislead his enemies about his location. The concealed location is more important than the wide vantage, but nearly all maps have positions which allow both. Picking a location where you will have sight of stationary enemies to kill them is neither particularly important, nor desirable. The sniper is NOT A COMBAT CLASS - while a sniper rifle can kill people, it doesn't excel at this task. Rifle sections are for killing the enemy, marksmen in them are for exacting precision strikes on priority assets, YOUR JOB, and YOUR JOB ONLY is to report and disrupt enemy movements.

Honest to god, your post sounds like it was written about Vanilla.

[davetboy_19]

No. Just no.

You don't understand what sniper is for in PR, and you're crapping on about its limitations and capabilties.

As someone said, snipers are observers who engage TARGETS OF OPPORTUNITY. You don't have the luxury of picking which man in a squad to kill, because moving your scope means you can't shoot accurately. You have to wait for someone to stand still for 3-4 seconds BARE MINIMUM before you can shoot them. This is part of the reason why you won't be shooting things from 400 meters away - because the sniper rifle just isn't that accurate in most situations. Moreover, there are only a handful of situations where you could possibly have line of sight to someone 400 meters away, and most of them involve being in a position with NO CONCEALMENT (such as up a tower). There's no way of sweetening what I'm saying - you're lieing by inference about what you can do as a sniper.

Being a sniper in PR generally isn't about killing people at all. The kit just isn't as good as others at doing it. The kit is only effective at killing people consistantly from ranges that other weapons are more effective (though less efficient) at. The job of a sniper in PR is to report enemy movements, and to slow enemies down by scaring the bejesus out of them. A suppressed soldier is less likely to make sensible choices about his next move - he is more likely to move into areas of high cover and to move more cautiously, or to attempt to locate the sniper rather than complete a useful objective. You heard me - a sniper's job is to miss just as often as it is to hit. Of course a hit is preferable (causing everything a miss would, but with the bonus of damage/kills), but if the choice is between taking no shot (perhaps waiting for a perfect/kill shot), and stalling a squad in a strategically or tactically poor location, then you SHOULD take the shot.

To this end, a sniper should pick a concealed location, where he will have sight of enemy movements, and take shots in a limited area to mislead his enemies about his location. The concealed location is more important than the wide vantage, but nearly all maps have positions which allow both. Picking a location where you will have sight of stationary enemies to kill them is neither particularly important, nor desirable. The sniper is NOT A COMBAT CLASS - while a sniper rifle can kill people, it doesn't excel at this task. Rifle sections are for killing the enemy, marksmen in them are for exacting precision strikes on priority assets, YOUR JOB, and YOUR JOB ONLY is to report and disrupt enemy movements.

Honest to god, your post sounds like it was written about Vanilla.

I'm perfectly aware that Snipers are used for spotting and giving the Commander or Squad Leader information about enemy where-abouts and general movements. But the Sniper Rifle is also very effective at removing enemy targets. Shooting from 400m+ is a great spot to be as a Sniper, From that distance enemy have a very hard time locating you.

And picking of targets is what a Sniper should be doing. Removing targets that are a higher priority is what Snipers should be aiming at once they have giving the Commander all the info they can. Squads with no Squad Leader and no Medic are useless squads on the battle field

Once prime targets are eliminated then snipers should either go back to relaying info or send the rest of the enemy squad packing, providing it will not let the enemy know his/her position.


And if my post was about Vanilla BF2 it would have said something like 'Just pull out your sniper rifle, stand in the middle of the road and own everyone, hiding out in the open is the best place to be since they wont expect you there.'

[Waaah_Wah]

No. Just no.

You don't understand what sniper is for in PR, and you're crapping on about its limitations and capabilties.

As someone said, snipers are observers who engage TARGETS OF OPPORTUNITY. You don't have the luxury of picking which man in a squad to kill, because moving your scope means you can't shoot accurately. You have to wait for someone to stand still for 3-4 seconds BARE MINIMUM before you can shoot them. This is part of the reason why you won't be shooting things from 400 meters away - because the sniper rifle just isn't that accurate in most situations. Moreover, there are only a handful of situations where you could possibly have line of sight to someone 400 meters away, and most of them involve being in a position with NO CONCEALMENT (such as up a tower). There's no way of sweetening what I'm saying - you're lieing by inference about what you can do as a sniper.

Being a sniper in PR generally isn't about killing people at all. The kit just isn't as good as others at doing it. The kit is only effective at killing people consistantly from ranges that other weapons are more effective (though less efficient) at. The job of a sniper in PR is to report enemy movements, and to slow enemies down by scaring the bejesus out of them. A suppressed soldier is less likely to make sensible choices about his next move - he is more likely to move into areas of high cover and to move more cautiously, or to attempt to locate the sniper rather than complete a useful objective. You heard me - a sniper's job is to miss just as often as it is to hit. Of course a hit is preferable (causing everything a miss would, but with the bonus of damage/kills), but if the choice is between taking no shot (perhaps waiting for a perfect/kill shot), and stalling a squad in a strategically or tactically poor location, then you SHOULD take the shot.

To this end, a sniper should pick a concealed location, where he will have sight of enemy movements, and take shots in a limited area to mislead his enemies about his location. The concealed location is more important than the wide vantage, but nearly all maps have positions which allow both. Picking a location where you will have sight of stationary enemies to kill them is neither particularly important, nor desirable. The sniper is NOT A COMBAT CLASS - while a sniper rifle can kill people, it doesn't excel at this task. Rifle sections are for killing the enemy, marksmen in them are for exacting precision strikes on priority assets, YOUR JOB, and YOUR JOB ONLY is to report and disrupt enemy movements.

Honest to god, your post sounds like it was written about Vanilla.

^^Ffs.

A minimum of 300 meters away is a must for snipers. Any shorter than that and your enemies will have no problems with killing you with their assault rifles.

Fools Road. Your almost invisible when lying 400-500 meters away in one of those big bushes or next to/behind a tree.

The kit isnt only about killing, but killing is a big part of it. Theres only one kit that is effective beyond 500 meters and its the sniper kit.

"A supressed soldier..."

WTF?! You dont use this kit to supress. Its crutial that every hit is a kill otherwise the whole fear factor goes away. If you wanna supress someone there are better kits for that.

"a sniper rifle can kill people, it doesn't excel at this task"

Tell me, what other rifle in PR can easily allow you kill take out a target 500+ meters away?

"YOUR JOB ONLY is to report and disrupt enemy movements"

And what better way is there to disrupt them than shooting them? You can both report their movements and shoot them pretty much at the same time.

[@bsurd]

guys, i asked a question, and i want a answer what you think about it.

Not want to dis. about how to use or what a sniper kit is for!!!

I know how to use a sniper. And i have a Spotter... We can handle both sides... And we know how to use the kit...And you can take out a moveing target...

That wasnt the question. Only want to know what you think about give the sniper kit more fields...

And you ever can get a hit...