Graphic options-Unfair advantage?

[Rudd]

No1 should be forced to any graphics option, its only a game chaps and this aspect of fair/unfair play has existed since multiplayer began. What next? Force ISPs to give gamers the same internet connection?!

Get real people.

[CodeRedFox]

...well we already are forcing users to use the suppression effect

[LithiumFox]

...wow..

we're just saying to force lightmaps....

not everything...

MEDIUM LIGHTMAPS..

one setting...

ONE

not two

not three

not all of them

ONE

You DONT HAVE to have dynamic shadows (which MAJORLY takes FPS) just the static shadows.. for... statics....

They don't move.... they take a little chunk of your FPS but all in all it would add to fairer gameplay...

I had a computer that was 4 years old myself... i played everything on low but shadows and stuff.. mainly cause i had issues of not having shadows. I got 30fps with stutters cause i had only 512mb of ram. Really... I saved up some christmas money, and maybe 50 dollars of work money over a few weeks and got an Nvidia 8500. Shadows worked better... still had stuttering.

After that i was just like "to hell with this" and asked my parents for a computer for my birthday XD but i understand most arent that lucky.

But even with the crappy computer i still had shadows on.

AND ESSPECIALLY if you're pushing for FPS on the LOW settings.. only getting 30fps or less, future PR updates are going to get tougher and tougher on your computer, and eventually you're going to have to anyways, or deal with it.

...and shadows do make for realism... last time i checked.....

And forcing ISPs is a kinda strong unrealistic idea, actually, if they gave all gamers a 0ping connection, i wouldn't be complaining, but GETTING isps to do that is very very difficult.... forcing a setting in a video game is VERY VERY easy

I understand student wise too, as I AM one... ^_^ i just got very very lucky..

yeah and punkbuster should be an option too

oh yes, nothing better than someone hacking in the unlimited HAT kit with .4 sec reload time

[M_Striker]

I am really against this, forcing graphics. I mean, how many times have you been killed because of this graphics unfairness. I know I've never been killed in a dark area easily, just cause the enemy could see me. There are alot of people out there that cant afford 100 bucks to upgrade their system. Put yourself in the position of those that have crappy computers. low lighting to high lighting btw, does make a difference in FPS and lag.

^_^ i just got very very lucky...

Not that many people are very very lucky. And if you understand that, you wouldn't be for this.

[LithiumFox]

.....we only want medium lightmaps though... not high...

high takes a LOT out of FPS, as it also does minor shadows that are not needed..

i have been killed.. a LOT in dark places.... without moving..

and a LOT in grass where i should not have been seen.....

though lag MAY have been the culprit.. It's the point of the matter..

You are not AS noticible in shadows, but without you are really bright and noticible. Shadows help in places such as BiMing sometimes behind buildings, especially over by... ... it's the last CP before you capture the Chinese main.

We really don't have an issue with fairness for those who HAVE crappy computers. We just have an issue with people who have AMAZING computers who run with no lightmaps =/

[Drake]

Its okay. Low graphic can see better in dark, but so can I by upping brightness. IMO suppression is nice at 90 fps, too much at 30-40 fps.

[LithiumFox]

.....we only want medium lightmaps though... not high...

high takes a LOT out of FPS, as it also does minor shadows that are not needed..

i have been killed.. a LOT in dark places.... without moving..

and a LOT in grass where i should not have been seen.....

though lag MAY have been the culprit.. It's the point of the matter..

You are not AS noticible in shadows, but without you are really bright and noticible. Shadows help in places such as BiMing sometimes behind buildings, especially over by... ... it's the last CP before you capture the Chinese main.

We really don't have an issue with fairness for those who HAVE crappy computers. We just have an issue with people who have AMAZING computers who run with no lightmaps =/

Not that many people are very very lucky. And if you understand that, you wouldn't be for this.

As said above, i'm for this because i'm against people with amazing computers. ... who run on low settings

[CodeRedFox]

Cool guys, I see where this threads headed, back and forth without people reading the context. We will take everyones input if we decide to do something about this outdated option.

Continue the back and forth, and keep it civil.

[LithiumFox]

How about instead of heading into a brick wall, we steer this thread around to find ways to make it so low-end and realistic high-end users are happy?

^_^ i dont know, but we'll find something!

[M_Striker]

As said above, i'm for this because i'm against people with amazing computers. ... who run on low settings

Um, well how will you differentiate between those with super computer and crappy computers? I'm sorry, I meant low to medium. (it still has a high effect on the FPS)

..take me for example. I play PR because I love the jets and helicopters. I fly. Now, of course flying is harder on your system than just staying on the ground. Therefore, I have to reduce my settings to medium or even low, for flying. But I can play high settings when on ground. I don't want to switch my settings though every time i play, so i keep it at medium/low.

What do we do to people like myself? This is a very impractical idea IMO.

[LithiumFox]

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Um, well how will you differentiate between those with super computer and crappy computers? I'm sorry, I meant low to medium. (it still has a high effect on the FPS)

..take me for example. I play PR because I love the jets and helicopters. I fly. Now, of course flying is harder on your system than just staying on the ground. Therefore, I have to reduce my settings to medium or even low, for flying. But I can play high settings when on ground. I don't want to switch my settings though every time i play, so i keep it at medium/low.

What do we do to people like myself? This is a very impractical idea IMO.

...^_^ read top above post on this page, lets be more constructive and try and see if we COULD get a good reasonable way implemented... at least try =/

[M_Striker]

...^_^ read top above post on this page, lets be more constructive and try and see if we COULD get a good reasonable way implemented... at least try =/

Lol. Yes if we could find a way to make all players happy then go for it. The question is HOW, and that was what my post was about. Btw, right now we have different ideas of "contructive" so that word doesn't work now.

[LithiumFox]

Constructive shall mean in this thread: Ways to implement idea with the most MINIMAL effect on low end players, but achieving the initial goal of stopping Higher-end users as using it as a hack =/

[LithiumFox]

Like M_Striker said, the question is 'How?' I don't think there would be a feasible way of doing this, if you would want to support everyone in this thread. - What's the problem with leaving it as-is? I don't think this effects game play so much to ruin playing Project Reality.

Well to some (like me and maybe a few other people) it's pretty big... shadows play a BIG deal in video games AND in real life..

... but alas it's all up to the devs what they do =/

[CodeRedFox]

You can bake in the light maps but the level file will be HUGE...and I mean HUGE!

[M_Striker]

You can bake in the light maps but the level file will be HUGE...and I mean HUGE!

yeah, but.. more lag right? lol