Addition of M-113

Gran · Post by **Gran** » 2006-04-10 20:09

I personally have driven these and used them many times. They are a little older, but they perform a true APC role and are not all powerfull. I'm not saying to remove the APCs in use now, just add these for the US ARMY assests when they are put in game.

Info:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... d/m113.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M113

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Sgt. Jarvis · Post by **Sgt. Jarvis** » 2006-04-10 22:23

I had a chance to ride in one and it's pretty bumpy! Vietnam era one, and I'm not a soldier, but got to ride in the back of one. I would enjoy seeing this in PR, really it's a nice basic APC, and I see it still in service for many years to come, as it has for such a long time. I bet the C-130 Hercy birds will remain in US military service for another 2 decades atleast.

IDF-Godzilla · Post by **IDF-Godzilla** » 2006-04-10 22:43

I prefer to add the Stryker and not this one, the M-113 is old.
In Iraq the US troops use Strykers and not these "Metal Coffins".

trogdor1289 · Post by **trogdor1289** » 2006-04-10 23:22

I would personally love to see the stryker added as it is more realistic for ground troops to access to like four of these rather than like four full on APC's.

Post by **NikovK** » 2006-04-11 00:53

As much as I do love the 113's, if we will be investing time and gameplay considerations to a new APC I would much rather it be the spiffy new Stryker instead of the 113.

Cerberus · Post by **Cerberus** » 2006-04-11 01:54

Agreed. The Stryker is much more appropriate for PR

Pence · Post by **Pence** » 2006-04-11 02:38

I would rarther see China and MEC equipment updated abit before this but i do like the number of american APC's and IFV's.

Sgt. Jarvis · Post by **Sgt. Jarvis** » 2006-04-11 03:13

Yeah there are some priorities I guess, a Stryker wouldn't be neccessary at the moment, though the M113 APC would be nice to have though anyways. MEC equipment/vehicles are sort of hard to decide at what they would have, if they all banded together in an army, chances are they might be able to come up with and mass produce a tank or APC, but that could also not be very possible. They could just use new Soviet equipment, if there was a possible way to get it. For China, they have some new things that have just been presented to the public this year, 1 most recently this month.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2006-04-11 04:11

[R-PUB]Gran']I personally have driven these and used them many times. They are a little older, but they perform a true APC role and are not all powerfull. I'm not saying to remove the APCs in use now, just add these for the US ARMY assests when they are put in game.[/quote] The M113 family of vehicles may make an appearance in PR, but probably not in the APC role wrote:I prefer to add the Stryker and not this one, the M-113 is old.
In Iraq the US troops use Strykers and not these "Metal Coffins".

The M113s have never left US service and are being used in Iraq in multiple roles. They are and always have been in the Mechanized Infantry (Bradley), Armor and Cavalry units as mortar carriers, TOW carriers, combat engineer squad vehicles, etc. Stryker Brigade Combat Teams are like what we used to call Motorized Infantry (wheels instead of tracks); they're a different animal. It is like the difference between Mechanised Infantry (Saxon) and Armoured Infantry (Warrior) in the British Army. Similar units, some different capabilities.

Post by **RikiRude** » 2006-04-11 04:38

id like to see these in PR, but I rather see the stryker first =)

DEDMON5811 · Post by **DEDMON5811** » 2006-04-11 04:56

ah i have had to ride in that lunch box before. takes for ever to get out of when its full and your in a hurry.

Zepheris Casull · Post by **Zepheris Casull** » 2006-04-11 06:03

I doubt it's survivability though, the IDF uses M113 with upgraded armour kit which added spaced armour made of steel armour layer (Zelda). Recently though some of them were proven to fail to protect the APC from IED and at least one of them i believe were lost with 11 soldiers dead.

They have been since replaced by achzarit, puma, and nagmachon in the front line by IDF and the rest of the zeldas are now used away from the high risk engagement zone.

Raaschou · Post by **Raaschou** » 2006-04-11 11:22

DEDMON5811 wrote:takes for ever to get out of when its full and your in a hurry.

Drive into combat with the ramp half down...

I'm not kidding, my company (DK Army, Mec Inf Coy) did it that way in Iraq.

Coz' like someone already said, it's a metal coffin for the infantry (like me) inside!!

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~WPN~ Buggies · Post by **~WPN~ Buggies** » 2006-04-11 13:37

I would hate to see these added. I thinking the only service they see are from National Gaurd and Reserve units... alond with 3rd rate arnies and of course the UN. Notice the "add-on" RPG protection. They have no business on the modern battlefield.

Gran · Post by **Gran** » 2006-04-11 18:07

IDF-Godzilla wrote:I prefer to add the Stryker and not this one, the M-113 is old.
In Iraq the US troops use Strykers and not these "Metal Coffins".

That is wrong on many levels. Most of those pics, are of US ARMY in Iraq bro. These are not "coffins". If you haven't ridden, driven, or lived in one, you have no idea.

Gran · Post by **Gran** » 2006-04-11 18:12

DEDMON5811 wrote:ah i have had to ride in that lunch box before. takes for ever to get out of when its full and your in a hurry.

Ever been in one that rolled over? You get out in a real hurry! With a full squad, all your gear is straped outside, and just ur weapons ammo and demo stay inside. Its kinda funny to be cruiseing around with C-4 all over floor, time fuses and detonators stuffed in every pocket preping charges. The ramp drops very quickly and weighs about 1800 lbs. I've even heard cases of insurgents trying to enter the rear door, and the driver dropping the ramp to "smash" the insurgent. That would not be a pleasant sight.

Cerberus · Post by **Cerberus** » 2006-04-11 19:52

ROFL @ crushed insurgents

Sgt. Jarvis · Post by **Sgt. Jarvis** » 2006-04-12 03:56

Back in 'Nam, 68, My father would have to go through hundreds of vehicles destroyed by rockets, artillery, RPGs, landmines, you name it, among these, many M113s. He saw grusome sights, a few fingers that the guys pulling out the bodies missed to pick up. Blood stains, huge holes in the sides, total chaotic scenes on the inside. Couldn't imagine a VC attack man, my god, and these brave GIs in Iraq, man, may god be with them always!

Btw, yeah trying to get out of that little *** hatch man, my 65 year old dad almost fell straight to the ground lol, its like you have to crouch then jump to get out of these things.

Zantetsuken · Post by **Zantetsuken** » 2006-04-12 05:22

does the game really need another apc - it would realy only be as effective transportionwise as an apc, with LESS survivability due to the lighter armament and thinner armor plating (apcs already die rather quick when people are smart enough to use AT)

Pence · Post by **Pence** » 2006-04-12 06:00

Zantetsuken wrote:(apcs already die rather quick when people are smart enough to use AT)

>_<

I agree that its not needed and most of the vehicals that the devs have made will never be placed on a map and even then people tend to use aircraft and 'Soldier it out'.