[Weapon] My First Model [WIP]

[Tirak]

Bio Weapons would take to long to be useful in game, chemical is the only way to go.

[EOD_Security-2252]

Yeah, for realism's sake I probably shouldn't make it chlorine or any other biologicals. Oh well, I'll just have to modify the effect and the NFPA warning skin. Any word on fixing my problem?

[Masaq]

Uh? Chlorine is a chemical weapon, not biological. Chlorine is a chemical element that exists as a gas at room temperature as Cl2. It's corrosive and was/is used as a weapon because it destroys the soft tissue in the throat, lungs and eyes.

With mild exposure you get a sore throat and get itchy eyes, not much worse than a long swim in a heavily chlorinated pool.

A mild to moderate exposure will cause mild damage to the throat, cause coughing and a sharp stinging in the eyes.

When I was exposed to neat chlorine gas as a result of a friend's stupidity, I breathed in what was a very very pale cloud for about three-to-four deepish breaths, hacked and coughed my way away from the flask that we were using, and gasped for air for a few moments. I had itchy eyes and a headache for a few hours, but my sore throat remained for three or four days.



Severe exposure damages the soft tissues in the throat and lungs causing them to leak the fluid from inside the cells and causing blood vessels to rupture. You literally drown in your own cellular mucus and blood whilst you go blind.

I think that a 'biological' weapon (plaque/cholera ...etc) would be more appropriate,no?
I can imagine animation for it: an insurgent shaking it,looking throe the bottle on the light,sniffing it (well maybe not sniffing)
Anyway great idea,best of luck EOD !

Cholera can take days to kill, usually between 18 and 36 hours or so. The most virrulent forms can kill within a matter of hours but even so, you'd be looking at infecting someone within the first 45 minutes of a round starting and having them die at the end of the round... No PR infantryman lives that long anyway, so it'd be pointless.

Nerve agents (unlikely to be used by a militia/insurgent force) on the other hand can kill within minutes, ditto for chemical gases. Zyklon-B (prussic acid - hydrogen cyanide), infamously used by the Nazis, killed those closest to the drop points (the chutes the canisters of HCN pellets were dropped through) within seconds. People at the back and in the corners of the gas chambers received much smaller doses and died over a matter of hours, often as people were packed so closely together into the chamber that the bodies of their dead companions stayed standing, meaning the gas diffused much more slowly throughout the room.

[EOD_Security-2252]

Oh yeah, I remember Zyklon B from the Holocaust course I took.
Thanks for clarifying the effects of chlorine for us, despite I'd you not been exposed and me still lacking knowledge than the way it currently is.
So, nerve agents it probably is.

[Masaq]

Either chlorine or hydrogen cyanide would be reasonable to be used as the baseline, if you do some research on their properties as gases. Nothing a bit of googling wouldn't tell you.

Like I said, nerve agents are less likely to be used in an improvised device. They were developed as weapons from pesticides, developed and tested extensively and then banned by Geneva.

The only major attack on civillians by a terrorist organisation to date (that I'm aware of) is the Tokyo subway Sarin attack, which was a somewhat different scenario to improvised devices being used in Iraq and A'stan.

A chlorine-based device would be relatively easy to make using either an industrial source of chlorine gas or an improvised source from household items. It'd be dangerous but no more so for a skilled or semi-skilled chemist than assembling an IED is for a semi-skilled bomb maker.

[EOD_Security-2252]

I've googled so much questionable stuff in the last week. IEDs, semtex-H, chlorine, the list goes on. I wouldn't be suprised if I was on a list already.
Also, chlorine was used by Insurgents in Iraq. They made some chlorine IEDs, they wounded a bunch of people and I think they killed 2.
So what do you think sounds good Masaq? We could have the Insurgents have an IED full of rat poison if you want to have nerve agents. As for chlorine, if the weapon did use chlorine, what effects would be fitting in your opinion?

[Tirak]

Uh? Chlorine is a chemical weapon, not biological. Chlorine is a chemical element that exists as a gas at room temperature as Cl2. It's corrosive and was/is used as a weapon because it destroys the soft tissue in the throat, lungs and eyes.

With mild exposure you get a sore throat and get itchy eyes, not much worse than a long swim in a heavily chlorinated pool.

A mild to moderate exposure will cause mild damage to the throat, cause coughing and a sharp stinging in the eyes.

When I was exposed to neat chlorine gas as a result of a friend's stupidity, I breathed in what was a very very pale cloud for about three-to-four deepish breaths, hacked and coughed my way away from the flask that we were using, and gasped for air for a few moments. I had itchy eyes and a headache for a few hours, but my sore throat remained for three or four days.



Severe exposure damages the soft tissues in the throat and lungs causing them to leak the fluid from inside the cells and causing blood vessels to rupture. You literally drown in your own cellular mucus and blood whilst you go blind.




Cholera can take days to kill, usually between 18 and 36 hours or so. The most virrulent forms can kill within a matter of hours but even so, you'd be looking at infecting someone within the first 45 minutes of a round starting and having them die at the end of the round... No PR infantryman lives that long anyway, so it'd be pointless.

Nerve agents (unlikely to be used by a militia/insurgent force) on the other hand can kill within minutes, ditto for chemical gases. Zyklon-B (prussic acid - hydrogen cyanide), infamously used by the Nazis, killed those closest to the drop points (the chutes the canisters of HCN pellets were dropped through) within seconds. People at the back and in the corners of the gas chambers received much smaller doses and died over a matter of hours, often as people were packed so closely together into the chamber that the bodies of their dead companions stayed standing, meaning the gas diffused much more slowly throughout the room.

Were you commenting on my post? I was commenting on the poster above me but didn't use the quote system. He wanted bio weapons because he figured it was more realistic, so I posted bio weapons would take to long.

[motherdear]

the poison from rat poison would probably not be very useful, first it has to be liqufied or made into a dust form and secondly it would have to be refined a lot since it's a very slow working nerve agent.

[Masaq]

Tirak - no, it was aimed at EOD's post right below yours - "shouldn't use chlorine or any other biologicals".


EOD:
Go with chlorine. I've no idea what liquified, pressurised chlorine looks like when released from a canister and I really have no intention of ever seeing it, but there should be:

-Very quick initial "bloom" of the gas around the canister.
-That slowly spreads out, ideally moving mostly along the ground in a blanket around 6-foot deep.
-Should be a densish green in the initial blooming stage, fading to a paler, se-through green hue to the air as it spreads rather than a thick smoke-style cloud
-Should cause lots of coughing, lots of spluttering. Maybe the teargas shader from BF2:SF.
-Fairly quick death if you're next to the canister when it goes off, much slower, prolonged damage if you get a light dose at the edge of the cloud - enough damage to trigger the bleeding effect only if you're exposed to the pale-green cloud say, but enough damage to knock you to the blacking-out bleed if you're exposed to the initial burst.

[EOD_Security-2252]

Sounds good masaq.