Did the training maps bring all the VBF2 players to PR?

[Odinpalen]

When I first saw the training maps I was very excited! I thought, wow. This is super cool. I can get some more pilot time and test a few things out.

Then the ugly beast revealed itself. Squads are full of 8 to 12 year old kids bombing each other on the airfeilds in Kashan. Attack helicopters being one manned and landed by the bombing range so the pilot can switch to the gunners spot and Spawn rape the MEC before they can get control of their man. Oh and when the kiddies get bored of that, and we all know how kids get bored quickly. They then spawn rape the MEC in the bombing range with armor. And finally when they get bored of that they camp your spawn points with soldiers as there is no team dammage from their vehicles spawn rapeing you...

Of course like little BF2 Kiddies they seem to try and justify it by saying it's a training server. Your supposed to do that. Like an adult I try to explain that the training server is for both sides to try out the weapons and learn about them. Of course like all BF2 kiddies it never stops. It just gets worse.

Little kids + no rules = chaotic anarchy x 1000000000000000000000000000!

[=NY=Viper]

Been there Bro, chaos is putting it nicely ! I was trying to get some flying time in on the different Helos....scratch that AAA was camped just outside the bases! Forget about spawning on the MEC side, camped with tanks and APC's I couldn't even spawn ! Best bet is to hit the servers late night when the kiddies are off to bed. Or find an empty one.

[bosco_]

Or just start a local server...

[daranz]

There obviously is a need for a training server with some rules. Online training servers are basically for that - coordinated training with rules. Otherwise, you might as well load the map up locally and play there.

[Sanke]

Or use the thrifty little vote kick button

[thebusdriver]

Or just start a local server...

how do you uber-smart clan players suppose other people learn flying in an empty server ??? first, online physics are kinda different due to the ping, and second, there is no way to simulate any kind of friendly fire on these

so, yes, they brought all the vbf2 kiddies, oh wait, maybe it was the big ad on fileplanet.com ... ooops, did i say that loud now ???

well, should be able to be fixed easily: only US ARMY, no ff and runways indestructible ... that should at least decrease the craziness

personal note: i enjoyed watching the uber-n00b action at airbase with my littlebird for 30 minutes ... its priceless, couldnt stop laughing

[Odinpalen]

Yes I could start a local server. Thank you for the suggestion. But I want to do more than just fly. I want to try to laser live targets. Heck I even enjoy being the target as long as I get time to spawn and move my guy!

I have been thinking about running a PR server. Then I could go John Rambo on the ban button. I think having more spawn points on the training maps might help for the MEC. That way you could randomly spawn away from the camping.

[daranz]

how do you uber-smart clan players suppose other people learn flying in an empty server ??? first, online physics are kinda different due to the ping, and second, there is no way to simulate any kind of friendly fire on these

The difference between flying offline and online isn't that big. If you can fly well offline, you should be able to do it on a live server. Also, what sort of a friendly fire do you want? People firing at you? You firing at friendly targets? FF is disabled in training mode by default... If you want to shoot targets, the middle of Kashan is full of them.

[LeChuckle]

Training server = school
school = "kiddies"

[mammikoura]

I believe the answer to your problem is simple. If you don't like training mode, don't play it. You can test all of the new things on a local server. I've never touched a server running training mode and if it's as bad as you described then I think I made the right call.

[space]

I love it - great for a quick half hour of fun, and sometimes a much needed break from regular PR. I particularly like spawning as MEC ( usually the team is 30 vs 3 ) and type a couple of complaints about getting spawned raped. All the USMC then reply that its a training server so stfu - just as I planned mwahhahahaha.
I then trundle a tunguska onto the hill above their airbase a proceed to give them a taste of their own medicine.
Suddenly they lose their appetite for spawn raping, and start complaining that they cant get their beloved A-10s in the air ( despite the fact they have about 100 tanks, dozens of helis, unlimitred HAT kits, and the team is still 30 vs 3 )
It amazes me that they continue to spawn there and try and get in the A-10s, without once thinking of using another tactic to take me out.
OK some of you may say Im not playing fair, but I would reply that Im actually helping their training. - its not hard to deal with a single tunguska when the teams are so unbalanced.

[Masaq]

Never mind the fact that every single PR player played vBF2 originally, so calling vBF2 players "kiddies" isn't really a smart idea.

OP: quit being a snob, suck it up and teach the new guys how to play PR Yeah the training mode needs work but just insulting people isn't going to make it any better.

[Neo_Mapper]

Well im happy, like it is now. All the "noobs" should stay there and dont distrubt the main-gameplay at the "normal" servers =)
Yeah it sux, but there are still enough options to train your flying skills

[imhooks]

if you just want to fly alone, then start a local server.

If you would like to kill others with a friend or something, then use the populated servers.

There really is no reason to complain about the style of gameplay in a training server. They are going to do what they are going to do. If you don't like it, then all I can say is don't enter it.

[Odinpalen]

Never mind the fact that every single PR player played vBF2 originally, so calling vBF2 players "kiddies" isn't really a smart idea.

Yes, I played VBF2. And the kiddies were the reason why I left VBF2 for Project Reality. I wanted to get as far away from that bu77shi+ as possible.
I think kids are great for gameing. They are very creative. They experiment alot and think outside the box very well. But I do believe for this game, more emphasis needs to be placed on player and server respect. Alot of hard working adults/parents only get small windows of opportunity for game time. It sucks when you take the time to load up and try to train only to experience what is happening on the training servers.

There has to be some sort of order or rules. Just like in real military training.

[thebusdriver]

talking about kids ... i hate being insulted over voip by a 12 year old smartass telling me not to fly choppers if i cant (fact is i didnt know there was lag until it lagged in that chopper, couldnt have done anything against it) .. he even threatened to get me banned

something needs to be done about these ...

[WNxSarge]

Odinpalen i can understand what ur saying about the servers being full of smacktards.
We had a guy on US called Comingbackalive or sumthing n he Tked by getting into the F-16s n droping bombs next to the A-10s. this when on for 15 mins until we managed to get people to kick him.

I know that u guys start getting annoyed when people start Spawn raping you guys..but shouldn't the fact that the MEC spawn is in the "bombing range" section of the map...you should kinda get an idea that your gonna get blown up alot.

I find it funny how you then go off and start AA raping the hell out of the heli base cus ur annoyed about it...
1: it's immature, so ur not helping out urself by going down to the same level that ur complaining about.
2: If ur gonna rape a base...Y don't u rape the Base where the planes spawn rather than those who just want to fly transport helis so that they can improve for the Real matches?

There was a point in the server where the MEc were trying to provide moving targets for the US bombers...which is great seeing as they r trying to further people's skills. Which then goes to show that the training servers do work.
Annoying things is how it can only take 1 person to ruin it.
The only way i can see the training servers working well if it is constantly admined.

[tuckergustav]

well, i have sat at my computer admining our training server for hours on end...and let me tell ya...as soon as you get rid of one, another comes right in...it's an endless job. I barely get to play because I have to babysit it so much. My hope is that it won't be long before most of the "trouble makers" get bored and move on.

[space]

you're all whiners - for a MEC to get out of the bombing range they have to clear the hills of armour and spotters, avoid all the helis and a/c and then get to your airbase - not easy when youre heavily out numbered and getting SPAWN raped. All it takes to take down a MEC "escapee" is one tank, or one HAT, one TOW Humvee or one heli - does this happen? No because they all want the Leet Jets - A Training server should encourage people to experiment with teamwork as well as the other stuff. I agree team killing is lame though.

[Katsu]

Apart from making the runways indestructable I find the training servers are great. My chopper skills and sniper skills are much better, almost to the degree I would dare use them in the real games...well nearly maybe.

It seems to me to be the ideal place for the smacktards to play PR, kinda gives them a playpen to throw toys about and leaves us the proper arena's to play seriously. Idiotic bf2 players are always going to find their way to this mod one way or another, the training server keeps them away from the "real" servers in my opinion. You start putting too many rules in place then the smacktards may just think that they might as well play on the real game servers instead...and we don't want that now, do we?