Tank main gun rounds

[Wonder]

The main armament of russian MBTs, including the T-90's 125mm smoothbore gun, are capable of firing ATGMs such as the 9M119M 'Refleks' (known as AT-11 Sniper in the west). The T-90 should have this weapon in addition to APFSDS and HEAT rounds. I'm not sure about this weapon's guidance method, but I suppose it's laser beam riding, so the target would have to be illuminated during the missile's flight. I don't know if the chinese have similar missiles for their Type-98s, but I should think so.

Western MBTs in service currently lack similar weapons, although the israelis have developed the LAHAT missile that can be fired from all western 120mm smoothbore guns. The M1A2 could however get the STAFF top-attack rounds, if there is a way to implement this feature.

[TerribleOne]

Id personally like to see the ballbearing filled shells for taking personel down in mass.

[Scribble]

Not sure theres really a need for the sniper in BF2. its really designed (juice please correct me if Im wrong) to provide extreme range for the tank. something the bf2 engine cannot handle.

[TerribleOne]

Lets be honest, Bf2 currently cant even allow normal tank distance firing because of the viewdistance.

[Djuice]

The T-90 and ZTZ-98 comes with 9M-119M Refleks gun launched atgm. The STAFF has been cancelled as of 2003/4 i think. Russia does not export gun launched ATGMs to other countries, but they are able to licence make them themselves. The XM1028 Canister rounds was tested in IRAQ and it was greatly welcomed in urban type environment, and highly effective against light vehicles and infantry.

Adding the ATGMS to tranks right now would make them fairly powerful against any flying/ground targets. Though i do welcome adding APers/Canister type munitions.

BTW, not all T-90s, and ZTZ-98 carry gun launched ATGMS.

[Nosferatu]

Correct, not all T-90s equiped with 9M119M guided missiles because their launch reduces main gun firing resource. Missile guidance method is laser beam riding. Firing accuracy is close to 1,0 on static targets or moving ones with 70 km/h speed on 100-5000 meters distance. 9M119M missiles can be fired from static positions or in movement on 30 km/h speed.

Currently used markings for shots with 9M119M missiles are ZUBK14 or ZUBK20 equal in size to regular 125mm ammunition.

I'd like to see tanks firing guided missiles too, but I'm not sure they can be used against choppers.

[Expendable Grunt]

It would work similar to the LGB on the jets, right? Requiring another person to lase the target? If so, there shouldn't be any problem adding this would there? Reducing the ordinance load of tanks using this sort of ammo would be the balance people might have problems with.

Failing that, we could "invent" a new vehicle the MEC designed themselves -- knowing they would have to sacrifice ordinance in their tanks, they instead opted to retrofit an M113 or something similar to carry a few in a launch platform of their own design. Powerful, but not heavily armored.

[Expendable Grunt]

You may very well be right.

[77SiCaRiO77]

It would work similar to the LGB on the jets, right? Requiring another person to lase the target? If so, there shouldn't be any problem adding this would there?

its act more like a tow , you would need any spotter or anything , you your mouse and keep the target in sight .

[Caboosehatesbabies]

Is this really necessary?!

All tanks have APFSDS rounds for anti-vehicular work and all tanks have HEAT for anti-infantry along with the Coaxial Machine Gun. Would adding another munition that does the same thing as the AP round except it flies slower really worth it?

[Tirak]

Inventing vehicles seems like a slippery slope for a mod like this.

Actually you wouldn't have to invent anything. As DeltaFart pointed out in my Tank Destroyer thread, to my mild dismay, most Tank Destroyers have either been designed or refitted as Missile Tank Destroyers, exchanging the gun for missiles.

[Bob_Marley]

its act more like a tow , you would need any spotter or anything , you your mouse and keep the target in sight .

Indeed, as they're actually laser beam riding rather than homing onto a laser spot it would not, as I understand it, actually work with a seperate spotter.

Anyway, ATGMs, buckshot rounds, HESH rounds and more have been suggested before. By me. Locked.