Why do people not like playing as Insurgents

[Orthas]

I agree, but there are tons of insurgents in real life so really there should be a lower spawn time and more spawn locations/cars etc...


But I won´t be cannon fodder with the same spawn time or more than the enemy, that just doesn´t work at all.

I completely agree with this one as said in my earlier post.

[Rudd]

The best feeling on Korengal is when your hiding in a bush with ur PKM deployed watching that cave the Americans just managed to clear....and they stary coming out in single file............................

But I am thinking spawntimes could be reduced for INS

[Saobh]

I really love the Ins mode, and adding this to PR was one of the 1st actions by the DEVs that saved the mod from the repetitiveness each map gets after having played it 5-6 times (the second was introducing the placeable bunker/firebases)
The randomness of the caches makes each match unique, I'd love seeing something close to this for the flag placements on the standard maps, but probably not possible.

As for the INS themselves, heck its a bit like playing a zombie in one of those gore flicks. You can either hide and surprise, bunch up and zerg or bait and ambush.

And being a patient player, I have no problem spending 5-10 minutes finding a good emplacement for my IED to get that oh so unsuspecting mass/asset kill.

All in all its great for the change of pace after spending the last 2 hour round being careful and on alert. Or when you just want a quick and no brainer game while still enjoying the finer thing of PR

[Cheesygoodness]

Hell I personally prefer to play as insurgents because I can exploit the average players weakness.

Few players seem to beable to concentrate on more then a few things at once. Add to that my rather defensive mindset and overall don't give a **** if I spend 10 minutes fiddling with my AK. Now if I am in a good squad or are leading even a somewhat decent one the first thing I do is declare this after finding the main cache the other team is attacking.

"No one goes near that cache. We defend from here. (About fifty meters out.) If you engage them with a full six person squad alive fight till they are dead. When we are down to three pull back away from the cache slowly."

That leads to the squad or two looking for the cache changing there mind. They decide a few dead insurgents is better and are to busy trying to find and kill us then look for the cache as they were doing. In the meantime the six of my squad are cycling out between engaging and killing? And dead and spawning. Its a never ending wheel that eventually the insurgents have to win.

[Michaelp800]

2) Kill an american medic and pick up his kit.

That's right. But you can't revive your friends. I'm only insurgent, if I was before on the british or the american side (server change that automaticly). I like the IED explosion!

[Waaah_Wah]

insurgents in real life have iron sights. get over it. dont engage far away targets. in a map like ramiel theres literally thousands of good places to hide and ambush, you dont need a scope. also insurgents dont have too many people with degrees in medicine, so dont ***** about not having medics.

Sure... Lets get close and personal with our AKs eh? Exepc that the AK is inaccurate as hell, iron sights on it are terrible and the recoil makes it very hard to use in CQC.

insurgents were given unlimited tickets for a reason. you ARE supposed to be cannon fodder, but that doesnt mean you cant make the coalition bleed in the process, and defend your caches doing so.

That used to be good in previous versions where ins had alot of spawnpoints and didnt have the long respawn time they have now.

My reply in red.

[Dude388]

The randomness of the caches makes each match unique, I'd love seeing something close to this for the flag placements on the standard maps, but probably not possible.

You must love Operation Barracuda then don't you?

I agree with you, more maps like this will be awesome (we've been told more are in the works )

Now to get back on topic, the ONLY thing I don't like about the INS mode is that collaborators are the only means of healing for Insurgents (besides the cell leaders FD's, which he can keep).

To solve this, you COULD (i know this won't be done :wink give the collaborators medical bag (with a more Insurgent style skin) and remove all of their FD's and just half the healing speed of the bag for them (to give you the sense that the collaborator isn't as well trained as the combat medic at healing in the field).

[Outlawz7]

Hell I personally prefer to play as insurgents because I can exploit the average players weakness.

Few players seem to beable to concentrate on more then a few things at once. Add to that my rather defensive mindset and overall don't give a **** if I spend 10 minutes fiddling with my AK. Now if I am in a good squad or are leading even a somewhat decent one the first thing I do is declare this after finding the main cache the other team is attacking.

"No one goes near that cache. We defend from here. (About fifty meters out.) If you engage them with a full six person squad alive fight till they are dead. When we are down to three pull back away from the cache slowly."

That leads to the squad or two looking for the cache changing there mind. They decide a few dead insurgents is better and are to busy trying to find and kill us then look for the cache as they were doing. In the meantime the six of my squad are cycling out between engaging and killing? And dead and spawning. Its a never ending wheel that eventually the insurgents have to win.

Yeah, but ending up in a squad where there's 5 other people using common sense is very rare.

Had a round yesterday on Korengal, 3 variously sized Insurgent squads defending a cache, roughly 12-15 players. No one was actually at the cache itself even though it was in a compound where everyone could easily over watch all sides sitting on the roof.
A US squad comes with a Humvee, all of them running around the road like chickens and gets promptly blown up by an IED. The celebration ends however when that same squad comes back on foot 40 seconds later, kills everyone next to the compound and the few that survived including me try to at least kill some of them while someone randomly lobs an M203 over the field straight into the house with the cache.
During that time I repeatedly shot 3 people over and over again while the stupid medic was running over them trying to revive them under fire (technically I should have like 10 kills shooting all the continuously revived soldiers) then some guy headshotted me with an M4 burst.

And while all that was going on someone from the US team took out the RP in the cave near the cache and the tale of 6 US soldiers overwhelming a cache, 15 Insurgents and a spawn point ended not to mention that at least 3 were doing nothing else but being revived and getting shot again by me.
Not to mention that we were now sh*tfaced as Insurgent and that US squad could happily continue.

Honestly, if Insurgents are supposed to be suicidal cannon fodder, then the coalition team should also face some limitations, medics not having epipens (thus ability to revive) on Insurgency maps would be interesting for a start and would kill that 'safe uber team' feeling which is the reason wyh everyone wants to be coalition in the first place.

[daranz]

Whenever I play as a civvie on an insurgency map, I end up playing more solitaire than PR, as that's what I do when I'm dead and waiting for respawn. And I end up going civvie a lot, because nobody else will.

The other annoying thing about insurgency is the lack of spawnpoints. It tends to really kill squad cohesion, which is why you often see insurgents run all over the place. Personally, when I end up squadleading as an insurgent, I don't even try to keep my squad together, because it is too difficult. In situations where you're two minutes out of a spawnpoint, and one squadmember dies, most people won't be willing to hang around for two minutes waiting for the guy to join up.

Yes, hideouts are nice, but the limits for them are too much. On a map like Korengal, you get one hideout near the caches and that's it, you can only build the other one in an even more useless location. You also have static spawns, but those are far away from the caches.

Fortunately, you can play insurgency mode pretty well without maintaining the kind of squad cohesion that you have to maintain on a conventional warfare map. Hit-and-run with small groups of insurgents works very well, as does employing any sort of explosives and breaking contacts. Still, the fact that you end up with a trickle of reinforcements makes it somewhat frustrating.

[Caboosehatesbabies]

Waah_Wah
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Sure... Lets get close and personal with our AKs eh? Exepc that the AK is inaccurate as hell, iron sights on it are terrible and the recoil makes it very hard to use in CQC.

If you can't hit anything with the AK-47, you are just bad with it. The problem most people seem to have is that they fire their rifle in FULL AUTO at targets greater then 5 meters away. I did a little test using the AK at the firing range on Ramiel. Firing the full 30 rounds at a target 30meters away only 3 bullets hit, and that's with compensating for recoil. At ten meter about 10 bullets hit.

This brings me to my point, the AK-47 if very accurate if you use single shots and pace yourself. When the sights are improved, the rifle will only get better. I often won't even pick up a USA rifleman because I like the AK so much.

Unless I get surprised by an enemy, I almost never use the rifle in full auto, taking a second to line up, then a quick double tap drops us soldiers like flies.

[gazzthompson]

If you can't hit anything with the AK-47, you are just bad with it. The problem most people seem to have is that they fire their rifle in FULL AUTO at targets greater then 5 meters away. I did a little test using the AK at the firing range on Ramiel. Firing the full 30 rounds at a target 30meters away only 3 bullets hit, and that's with compensating for recoil. At ten meter about 10 bullets hit.

at 30m that seems about right, but i just tried on a online server and at 10m on a door i landed 29 shots (the last missing slightly). i couldnt be assed to go to us main but 29 shots on a door , on a man sized target should be about 23+ shots out of 30 on a full auto mag dump and 10m.

even at 20m on a door with a full auto mag dump i was landing 20+

only started getting hard at 30m, which ive never fired a AK47 before but would a 30m mag dump on an ak a 30m be accurate IRL ?

[Waaah_Wah]

Waah_Wah
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Sure... Lets get close and personal with our AKs eh? Exepc that the AK is inaccurate as hell, iron sights on it are terrible and the recoil makes it very hard to use in CQC.

If you can't hit anything with the AK-47, you are just bad with it. The problem most people seem to have is that they fire their rifle in FULL AUTO at targets greater then 5 meters away. I did a little test using the AK at the firing range on Ramiel. Firing the full 30 rounds at a target 30meters away only 3 bullets hit, and that's with compensating for recoil. At ten meter about 10 bullets hit.

This brings me to my point, the AK-47 if very accurate if you use single shots and pace yourself. When the sights are improved, the rifle will only get better. I often won't even pick up a USA rifleman because I like the AK so much.

Unless I get surprised by an enemy, I almost never use the rifle in full auto, taking a second to line up, then a quick double tap drops us soldiers like flies.

Alright, i'll admit that the AK isnt THAT bad, but even if you get the drop on your enemy, he will often somehow hit you once before you can put 2-3 bullets into him thanks to the nice deviation in 0.8. And then your going to slowly bleed out because there isnt any medics on your team...

Also my low FPS on most ins maps makes it hard to quickly aim after each shot. 20FPS kinda messes stuff up. And the lagspikes i get on Ramiel and Korengal simply kill my PC, and often me aswell.

[Waaah_Wah]

only started getting hard at 30m, which ive never fired a AK47 before but would a 30m mag dump on an ak a 30m be accurate IRL ?

30 meters isnt tht far at all IRL... Unless you have never fired a gun in your life ou shouldnt have any probles with hitting at 30 meters.

[Scot]

I have to agree, everyone goes:

'OMG I'm an insurgent with an AK 47! I must use it on full auto pretending to be from Black Hawk Down.'

[gazzthompson]

30 meters isnt tht far at all IRL... Unless you have never fired a gun in your life ou shouldnt have any probles with hitting at 30 meters.

who here has actually shot a AK on full auto ?? , ive fired 7.62 from a rifle and it kicked like a mule, a 7.62 assault rife must be amazingly hard to control at 30m, though like ive said ive never tried so would love to here a MA's opinion (as its the only 1 i really trust)

[Waaah_Wah]

Ahh, on full auto. That would be harder.

But AFAIK, AK47 doesnt kick as hard as for example G3. They both use 7.61 but the AK bullet is shorter or something like that

[Nosferatu]

Yeah, USSR 7.62x39 vs 7.62x51 NATO

[viper759]

on insurgents it really comes down to crappy weapons.

now in real life yes the ak is not as accurate as the m16. however the difference in PR is far far more than in real life.

also the AKs iron sights suck, i like iron sights. the la85s rock, and the m16s are nice too. take into account that suppression affects iron sights more than scopes and you've got a crappy weapon system.

[SGT.JOKER]

I used to like playing as the INS in .75 but I just lost interest in the INS team when it changed to .8 it may have somthing to do with the AK sights tho..

[Rudd]

well the sights have been adjusted for .85, so celebrate good times!