Why do people not like playing as Insurgents

[naykon]

It's my favourite mode, and yes the insurgents should be the underdogs, but please:

if your going to give everyone a £20 pair of binocs but no field dressings, causing them to bleed to death regurlaly, at least shorten the respawn times to make up for the fact that they are greater in number compared to the americans/brits.

And could someone explain why collaborator spawn time is 2mins? wheres the incentive there?

[Psyko]

If you can't hit anything with the AK-47, you are just bad with it. The problem most people seem to have is that they fire their rifle in FULL AUTO at targets greater then 5 meters away. I did a little test using the AK at the firing range on Ramiel. Firing the full 30 rounds at a target 30meters away only 3 bullets hit, and that's with compensating for recoil. At ten meter about 10 bullets hit.

This brings me to my point, the AK-47 if very accurate if you use single shots and pace yourself. When the sights are improved, the rifle will only get better. I often won't even pick up a USA rifleman because I like the AK so much.

Unless I get surprised by an enemy, I almost never use the rifle in full auto, taking a second to line up, then a quick double tap drops us soldiers like flies.

i agree. i just wish the sites were better, which is being worked on, so i really have no complaint. Full auto doesnt work so well. to be effective with any of the PR weapon you need low ping, and to creep up on people and put one or two rounds into them each.

[gazzthompson]

Yeah, USSR 7.62x39 vs 7.62x51 NATO

out of your experience, whats the maximum range when on full auto for a AK for reasonable accuracy ??

[Waaah_Wah]

^^That would really depend on you shooter.. But the recoil on AK47s is a bit weird, something in the mechanism makes to go all over the place.

[random pants]

^^That would really depend on you shooter.. But the recoil on AK47s is a bit weird, something in the mechanism makes to go all over the place.

It's the large weight and jerky action of the moving parts in the receiver. Very violent action of metal slamming back and forth causes the rifle to be very jerky on full auto, not to mention the high amount of kinetic energy each round has.

[gazzthompson]

nosferatu is russian army i believe, so would love to here what sort of accuracy you can get out of a full auto ak

[Waaah_Wah]

nosferatu is russian army i believe, so would love to here what sort of accuracy you can get out of a full auto ak

He has most likely used the AK74. Unless he is pretty old

[ArPeeGee]

Whenever I'm an insurgent with an AK-47, I'll switch to full auto, and fire an entire clip into the enemy while using the iron sights. When I'm simply charging an enemy location I wont even use my iron sights will I'm moving. I seem to have the best odds on killing someone with full auto. It just seems so powerful and useful.

[charliegrs]

to be effective with any of the PR weapon you need low ping, and to creep up on people and put one or two rounds into them each.

uh that kinda goes without saying for ANY first person shooter.

[Cheesygoodness]

The AKs recoil is weird due to the action of the rifle. The bolt is heavy and sadly set just slightly off center. You've got the bullet leaving the barrel and the bolt slamming back, Both of which are very very violent acts. Then you add to it the awkwardly sideways bolt? It gives you three directional changes which each shot fired.

The M16 by comparison has a straight back centered bolt so even if it were firing the 7.62mm russian bullet with the design it would have lower recoil only cause of how the internal bolt system works and blows the recoil straight back rather then back and to the I believe its left on the AK.

The weapon is designed to throw alot of lead downrange. Not the most accurate lead but lead none the less.

[Waaah_Wah]

But doesnt the muzzle brake on the AK 47 kind off neutralise that sideways motion? AFAIK its slighty angled to counteract this.

[WildBill1337]

i used to dislike insurenting. my main beefs were that the insurgent weapons are inferior, and that im used to playing in a conventional fashion on other games.

[Cheesygoodness]

But doesnt the muzzle brake on the AK 47 kind off neutralise that sideways motion? AFAIK its slighty angled to counteract this.

In theory it does I believe again thats under perfect conditions. Its another level of complication that helps the accuracy of a weapon along with another thing that can foul up and ruin the accuracy of a gun.

Anyway you look at it the weapon is dated. Its design is obsolete and designed with a different kind of warfare in mind. The accuracy will always depend on the user of course and the level of training and familiarity with the gun itself. Western nations have found full auto fire to be a huge waste of ammo. That is why the M16 is fired in 3 round bursts. Thats what is accepted as accurate controllable fire by US military standards.

Untrained soldiers firing an AK47 on full auto probably isn't going to end well anyway that you look at it. Not to say that its as bad as its represented. But its not going to exactly be as effective as its shown with other forces.

[Therapist]

Is there a way to set the number of players on each team differently for a specific map? I was thinking that it would be interesting to have maybe 40 insurgents and 24 coalition soldiers.

[Solid Knight]

If you watch an AK being fired you'll see the body of it warp. The other reason why it has greater recoil has to do with how the stock is attached to the gun. All those aforementioned violent acts in the AK occur above the point where the stock connects to the body which in turn causes a natural upward pivot. On the M16 the point in which the rifle connects to the body is on the same plane as the bolt movement and the explosion.

[hiberNative]

If you watch an AK being fired you'll see the body of it warp. The other reason why it has greater recoil has to do with how the stock is attached to the gun. All those aforementioned violent acts in the AK occur above the point where the stock connects to the body which in turn causes a natural upward pivot. On the M16 the point in which the rifle connects to the body is on the same plane as the bolt movement and the explosion.

sounds like you and Cheesygoodness have been watching the YouTube - AK 47 vs M16 picatinny propaganda comparison that i'm not even gonna waste time picking apart
it's the older version that has that "down-going" stock (and the akms which fails). the akm has a stock that follows the barrel.

also, muzzle brakes make a huge difference:

[charliegrs]

so just a question to everyone complaining about the ironsights on the AKs, do you think the DEVs should put scopes on them? im asking seriously.

[hiberNative]

so just a question to everyone complaining about the ironsights on the AKs, do you think the DEVs should put scopes on them? im asking seriously.

no. the ironsights are already improved towards .85.



and i think some versions of the ak74 is getting optics (probably for russian forces).

[sunshine1991]

on insurgents it really comes down to crappy weapons.

now in real life yes the ak is not as accurate as the m16. however the difference in PR is far far more than in real life.

also the AKs iron sights suck, i like iron sights. the la85s rock, and the m16s are nice too. take into account that suppression affects iron sights more than scopes and you've got a crappy weapon system.

The AK-47 is a 100 meter battle rifle
It was designed to be made cheap
made fast
use inexpensive ammo
be drug through the mud, sand, and ice
and still be able to fire

After about 75 meters you could get a "Wild" shot

I use an sks (kinda like an AK) for hog hunting sometimes and I will not try a 75 meter shot with it.

The AK-47 is a close to mid quarter rifle

and dont forget AK-47 Much older then M-16