Vehicles - stand in line or first in?

[Kholdstate]

I have began noticing that some players and server operators sometimes try to implement a system where there is a 'line' to highly valued vehicles such as the attack-helicopters and/or airplanes on for instance kashan and muttrah. This doesn't make too much sense in my opinion, mainly for the following two reasons:

- It's nearly impossible to monitor unless you have an admin constantly watching vehicles spawns.
- It encourages players to stand in one place for long durations while doing nothing.

Using a "first in" system sounds more reasonable in my opinion as it becomes more of a lottery. Assuming you know the approximate spawning time you can join the battle and if you end up doing well while fighting on the ground you don't miss out on anything and if you don't do well you die and have the option to spawn back at main and try your luck with the 'vehicle lottery'.

Anyway, I think trying to implement a line becomes more abusive than beneficial. Especially when admins threaten to kick and ban players who don't comply.

And since the PR team has some leverage over server operators I would suggest classifying such rules as abusive and counterproductive and prohibiting servers from using them.

[Fluffywuffy]

Their server. Their rules.

[Kholdstate]

I disagree...

Due to some unfortunate intentions of some server administrators since the Project Reality v0.6 release, the Project Reality team will no longer be freely distributing licenses to run Project Reality Mod servers.

I'm not sure what the PR team were referring too in that case, but I find the attempt to implement such a system is highly counterproductive and something that could very well fall under unfortunate intentions. I've encountered situations where the benefiting players are part of the team that runs the server? Are they as eager to enforce this rule if the situation is reversed?

[kevlarorc]

I think you are misunderstanding the connotation of unfortunate intentions. My guess would be for use with hack development or unpassworded training servers not because the play rules disagree with the way the developers believe the game should be played. With all due respect to the Devs, I believe that an overall set of server rules governing what players are allowed to do during a match would be an overstepping of bounds by the Dev team who are not paying for the actual servers.

[IAJTHOMAS]

It was to do with short spawn times and short vehicle respawn servers that lead to the server licenses being issued I beleive...

[SqnLdr]

It was to do with short spawn times and short vehicle respawn servers that lead to the server licenses being issued I beleive...

Bang on.
I remember Operation Greasy Mullet with F16s piling up on the runway... As do countless others, I suppose.

A player waiting for an asset is a waste of a much greater asset [The player]. Go and play; don't wait. If you're that keen, work out when the asset will spawn and make sure you're there bang on time. Don't wait around - it doesn't do any good to anyone. First one in the seat wins.

[drs79]

depends on the server, the rules, and how you plan on being a team player, and if you like using assets requiring 2 or more players as a one person asset.

Also if a commander is commanding in my experience and as my overall opinion he/she has control over who uses the assets, and if they are using them the right way.

[crazy11]

Are you paying for a server?

Well they are really expensive and admins should be able to choose what they want to happen on their server as long as it is not way out there. Some servers allow baseraping some dont it all depends on the owner. They are letting you play on their server so you should just respect some small rules they put down. If you dont like it dont play there.

[Rudd]

I'm not sure what the PR team were referring too in that case, but I find the attempt to implement such a system is highly counterproductive and something that could very well fall under unfortunate intentions. I've encountered situations where the benefiting players are part of the team that runs the server? Are they as eager to enforce this rule if the situation is reversed?

As someone with admin experience, I would say that we care very much about fulfilling our role as facilitators of good gameplay and regulating as well as following rules.

On the rare instances its happened, iGi for example have kicked clanmembers if they have come in to our server with a bad attitude (Very rare, and usually the result of a really bad day) Point is, that the rules are the rules, the server license is a bond of trust and honour and is a privilege.

[Aranykai]

To further Dr2B Rudd's statement, there are reasons it can sometimes feel like server admins are only looking out for their own. First, they are often times in better communication with them, teamspeak for instance, so they are aware sooner. Also, they have to be careful not to start punishing people merely on the demands of one player, because unreasonable players demand this type of thing all the time. On the other hand, they often have a level of trust with their clan members and they know they can believe in their judgment without investigating for themselves.

We do want to make it fair for everyone involved though, so try to give us a chance

[IAJTHOMAS]

I disagree with that. What if someone has been waiting for that said asset for 20 minutes (I know, that's bad but it happens all the time, and people will continue to do it) and then someone just comes along and takes that asset right from under your nose, how would that be fair? I prefer the "waiting in line" system because then whoever was there first, get's it. Same in real life. You get in line for a ride at a themepark and you stay in line, you don't try to cut in front of everyone because you want your turn, it's just not fair.

Yeah, but other people in the theme park aren't relying on you for their good time. You could argue that those who fight and come back have a better claim to the vehicle as they've been out helping the team in the interim.

The waiting in line thing is worse on asset heavy maps, you can have most of your team doing sod all at main if everyone took this approach on maps such as Kashan. Nothing worse than being short handed, opening your map and seeing 8 pilots and 6 crewman doing bugger all at main.

[Alex6714]

I agree with OP. Assets don´t belong to anyone. Of course it is nice if the squad name is respected, but in the end this is a public game where everyone is here to have fun.

If you don´t get the assets after waiting 20 mins, your loss, just don´t wait 20 mins. There are other things to do in the mean time. And really, spending 20 mins on helipad or in city, is there really a difference? Just waiting while doing something in a different place.

Who decides who should have the right to have an asset? No one. Its nice to respect the "cas" squads etc, who usually also have a spotter for example. But in the end they don´t really deserve it anymore than another person spending free time to play PR.

Of course, sometimes I wait, but thats just because I end up frustrated with not hitting anything and maybe do something in the mean time.

The problem with the "wait in line" rule is that it promotes 2 guys to just sit there for 20 mins so they can say they are first.

If you don´t get the asset, then sucks for you, but don´t TK etc because of it. Happens to me many a time, Someone else nicks it, but hey, I just go do something else, find another server, alt-tab out for a little bit. But there is no point in TKing a 20 min asset of those waiting so that you can get it.

Like 2 guys found out yesterday on thors when they thought no one knew the admins.....

[Kholdstate]

I saw when that happened alex (unless you got tkd in the cobra several times yesterday) and I don't know if you were first in line or not but the situation on the helipad can get ugly. I've been anything from tkd, shot in the leg, 'slammed', kicked and threatened to be kicked by players and admins and frankly I don't see the difference. The asset is lost either way and that doesn't do the team any good.

My understanding is that the PR team limits server licenses in order to provide quality servers and I don't see quality in such rules. The other day I was kicked after refusing a debate about who was there first with an (in my opinion) obnoxious admin. I wasn't on the helipad first for the simple reason that I didn't want to hype everyone else to stand there but I'm fairly certain that I was the first on the carrier of the players later competing for the cobra. Did the admin honestly expect that if I stood on the helipad first that the other two would leave me there. And in case you're wondering I wasn't soloing.

And with regard to what Dr2B Rudd said... I think most admins are doing a great job and I've personally ran a gaming community for an ISP a few years back so I know the necessity of having admins and enforcing rules. However going by such rules like 'lines' is not feasible in my opinion. Allowing for a built in solution like assigning assets to players or having players request an asset would be a preferred but can it be done?

[Psyko]

tbh i think on most servers the assets are on a first come first served basis. if you aint there to get in, then its not yours. however, having a "que" of gunship fanatics at the airfield, is bloody disgusting imo, and it inspires aggro and teamkilling. if somones waiting, they should say they are waiting over teamchat to secure their chances of getting that asset in the event that sombody jumps the que and takes it.

personally on our server, theres nothing that ticks me off more than seeing more than 3 guys waiting for assets to spawn at an airfield. Theres only a max of 32 guys a team, and we gotta slave away as infantry while the guys who are just too uber hog the jets and gunships and crash them? good thing we got training servers to keep them away from ruining our fun, cus when i see idiots with negetive scores, i consider booting them. (stressing the word consider)

[Skodz]

Usually its the first one to be there that get it but its just common sense... If you see someone waiting for a vehicle, do something else or wait for yours.

[Zimmer]

If you see a clan member in your own server is getting tked and he says over chat that this was intentional ofc I would ban the guy*. Since we pay for the server we also has the rights on our side. Such also the rules as long as we keep the guidelines with not modifiying spawn times and so on, our server our rules