F-4 Phantom II D/E

[Tirak]

As it is one of America's more widely produced and exported planes I propose PR include the F-4 Phantom II in either D or E variant as a jet for the militia. The aircraft is still in use in countries such as Turkey, Egypt and Iran and is sufficiently old enough and produced enough for a well funded militia group to obtain them. As the Militia faction lacks any sort of aircraft therefore precluding the possibility of Militia Maps with Air Support, I believe it would be a helpful addition to a somewhat under appreciated faction. Proposed armament would be its M61 Vulcan, rocket pods and dumb drop bombs.

[Robbi]

nice idea

[M.Warren]

I like the idea of the Militia to have some unexpected dug-up equipment of the past ages flying around somewhere.

It wasn't until recently that I stumbled across this BF2 Modification:

Allied Intent Extended

It turns out that they have an impressive array of unique and new vehicle and equipment that is usually unseen due to limited modelers. I couldn't help but drool alittle bit myself.

Although, I notice that you specifically outfitted armament that relates to a light ground support aircraft. As in main cannons, dumbfire rockets and dumb-bombs. I have couple suggestions aswell for this:

Mig-19
This jet is almost as old as it gets. The Mig-17 came before this jet, however it does not have much to offer. The next step up, which is the Mig-19 offers alot more munitions to work with.

Probably the perfect jet to get away with introducing to the Militia forces. It would be best suited on an Assymetrical map where the Allied forces must use the AIM-92 Stinger MANPADS (Man-Portable Air Defense Systems) to down it.

Primary Focus: Light Ground Support and Light Air Support

Picture link here.


Mig-21
The Mig-21 was the successor of the Mig-19. It has alot more to offer and was considered to be far superior than the Mig-19 in it's time.

This jet may be able to get implemented to the Militia. It's alittle bit more modern, but not by much. This aircraft could be based on a symmetrical map. However, if so, it will have alot and I mean alot of competition against the EF2000 or F-16 fighter jets.

Primary focus: Moderate Ground Support and Moderate Air Support

Picture link here.

[Tirak]

Although, I notice that you specifically outfitted armament that relates to a light ground support aircraft. As in main cannons, dumbfire rockets and dumb-bombs. I have couple suggestions aswell for this aswell:

I only did this to avoid people going "But teh militia can't have laz0rz!" And because in air to air combat the Phantom would be horrendously outclassed. I'm thinking that if the Militia do get jets, it'll be ground attack only, maybe a pair of sidewinders thrown in for good measure, but primarily ground attack. Though if the devs like the idea enough, maybe air to air version of the aircraft as well.

[M.Warren]

I only did this to avoid people going "But teh militia can't have laz0rz!" And because in air to air combat the Phantom would be horrendously outclassed. I'm thinking that if the Militia do get jets, it'll be ground attack only, maybe a pair of sidewinders thrown in for good measure, but primarily ground attack. Though if the devs like the idea enough, maybe air to air version of the aircraft as well.

I firmly agree.

It's clear that any vehicle the Militia does infact happen to utilize is very subtle and very modest. This is why all the ideas to equip the Militia with an Mi-24 Hind was pretty much dismissed. It's clear that it'll have to be saved for the Russian Forces. As much as I would like to use the Mi-24 Hind, it simply does not fit properly with what the Militia would have in thier arsenal.

I'm glad you brought this up in this manner. The particular selection of weapons to be outfitted on this aircraft is exactly the approach we need. The only suggestion I offer is to switch the selection of the jet to a more Eastern European setting. Then everything would be in perfect measure.

[DeltaFart]

The only issue I see with this is how would they be trained on it? Its not like everyone of them can actually fly a plane, it takes millions of dollars to train a person

[Tirak]

The only issue I see with this is how would they be trained on it? Its not like everyone of them can actually fly a plane, it takes millions of dollars to train a person

Look up online "Flying Lessons", it most certainly does not cost millions of dollars to train a pilot.

[Aranykai]

Look up online "Flying Lessons", it most certainly does not cost millions of dollars to train a pilot.

To train a combat pilot to the standards today demands, it could easily be hundreds of thousands, if not millions.

[Robbi]

pah, over paid, over rated!

[charliegrs]

theres been so many threads suggesting the militia should get aircraft...

i really dont understand how anyone thinks thats realistic.

[Waaah_Wah]

That depends of how you look at the Militia faction....

[Zeppelin35]

It might be a little realistic but if an aircraft is put it it should be non-respawnable. As for training, maybe one of the people in the militia was a former fighter pilot that flew the exact same plane that the militia got their hands on. It's a long shot but at least it's plausible.

But in all honesty I don't think they sould get aircraft.

[Tirak]

theres been so many threads suggesting the militia should get aircraft...

i really dont understand how anyone thinks thats realistic.

There's export for one, which is why the early MiGs and the Phantom II fit as they were both widely exported. The collapse of stable governments, the best example of this being Russia, many Russian war machines have been "lost" after the fall of the Soviet Union, and there's covert and deliberate supply, one government covertly supplying the militia against a rival government. It's hardly unrealistic, and as Zeppelin pointed out, the pilot could have received training while serving in a conventional military. It's really no different than the Militia having tanks.

[stozzcheese]

the nva operated mig 17's and 21's in vietnam. they were mainly trained by the russians i believe?
adding a bit of competition in the skies would be entertaining for the militia.
I agree with adding the 17, 19 and 21, so much the f4
If all else fails, Sopwith camel? captain biggles anyone?

[crazy11]

If anything they should get a civilian chopper.

[Solid Knight]

It's one thing to have a tank or even a helicopter but a jet? You need a place to land that thing.

[Tirak]

If anything they should get a civilian chopper.

We're not talking about helicopters. We're staying the heck away from Choppers as that's on the Already Suggested Suggestions list, the Phantom II is not.

It's one thing to have a tank or even a helicopter but a jet? You need a place to land that thing.

Yes, on an airfield. There are two small airfields within thirty minutes of my house that I can think of off hand, and with the Phantom II specifically, it was designed with a shorter take off in mind. The engine exhaust is vented at a slightly downward angle to aid in this.

[Cobhris]

To train a combat pilot to the standards today demands, it could easily be hundreds of thousands, if not millions.

And who says the militia have to meet standards? They already don't train their soldiers all the way up to modern standards. I don't see any reason why the militia couldn't have an old MiG or F-4 supporting them from a dirt airstrip somewhere.

[kingkoolkoobyak]

the nva operated mig 17's and 21's in vietnam. they were mainly trained by the russians i believe?
adding a bit of competition in the skies would be entertaining for the militia.
I agree with adding the 17, 19 and 21, so much the f4
If all else fails, Sopwith camel? captain biggles anyone?

yes bt NVA was the regular army of north vietnam, VIETCONG operating in south vietnam never had pilots...and the MILITIA faction is for asymetrical warfare like VIETCONG, so please dont give them no jets pls

but maybe something like an old MIL Mi-2 for CAS or just a woodland skinned Mi-8 for transport...hmmmh, i like that idea...chopping trees on FOOLS ROAD