Ideas from Red Orchestra

trogdor1289 · Post by **trogdor1289** » 2006-04-26 16:32

Cheramic plates? lol just kidding Duece your turn.

Major Ursa Norte · Post by **Major Ursa Norte** » 2006-04-26 16:36

trogdor1289 wrote:Yeah whats the point of having a pistol for self defence if you just keep it in your house. Plus buying from a unregisterd seller just smacks of being illeagal. So I will almost defiently get a CCW licence. Plus Michigan just made it really easy to get one althogugh most people in Detroit don;t bother with one.

The way I see things, the Second Amendment "Affirms" my right to keep and bear arms. I carry a weapon for self defense and I refuse to shell out money for a permit claiming to legitimise my carry weapon. Pure rubbish. Once you become an US citizen, you are afforded EVERY right enumerated in the Constitution.

The purchase of handguns is a very regulated trade. You must go through an instant background check and have a valid residence in the state in which you are purchasing the handgun. Buying a weapon from an individual is NOT illegal. I own several handguns that I purchased from individuals. You just have to judge the character of the seller. If the guy is selling guns out of the trunk of his car for insane bargains while constantly looking over his shoulder, you might want to avoid him and tip off your local law enforcement personel. That guy is most likely selling stolen guns. You would not want to be arrested for purchasing stolen property. Remember, criminals almost NEVER purchase their guns legally, they steal them or get them from dealers of stolen guns.

You do not want to register a firearm. If they ever start a gungrab, the folks that registered their guns will be the first guns confiscated.

Sorry if this seems political, it really isn't. I just wanted to share some information about gun purchases.

SiN|ScarFace · Post by **SiN|ScarFace** » 2006-04-26 16:48

You only need a permit to carry it hidden. Well here anyway you can walk around all day with a pistol as long as it is visible.

trogdor1289 · Post by **trogdor1289** » 2006-04-26 20:01

Thats what I mean nowadays in quite a lot of states you get weird looks walking around openly with a pistol. Plus being born and living in Wales for quite a while the idea of civilans owning Assualt Rifles and stuff seems kinda weird. Also the reason for having your handgun concealed is to not start something in a fight if someone sees you have a gun they will either walk away or be tempted to shoot first me personally i don't feel like taking that chance. I want to be able to control when the other guy sees i am packing heat. Ursa I understand about the second amendemnt the point is when you are carrying a gun around and a cop stops you, you want to have some ID that proves you know what you are doin with it. In Michigan to get a firearms licence to buy and own guns. Anyway the second amendent allows for a well-trained milita I see this as people having at least the basic gun knowledge not to shoot someone on accident. Wether you like the idea or not the state issued firearm permits allow for this.

Major Ursa Norte · Post by **Major Ursa Norte** » 2006-04-26 20:23

Trog, I am the type of person that will gladly take that issue and run it all the way up to the Supreme Court. The state's concealed carry permit system violates the Constitution by "abridging" my right to bear arms. This is my personal view and I strongly advocate that you do what you feel is best in your mind. MS has a permit also, but it is laughable. If you do not have a criminal record, have not been judged incompetent and are a legal resident, then you may pay $200.00 and get yourself a permit to carry a concealed weapon. Sheer Lunacy if you ask me.

The idea of concealing weapons is not for any purpose other than to keep non gun toting citizens from breaking out into panic at the site of a pistol hnging on someone's hip NOT wearing a badge. IF everyone wore their weapons in plain sight, then the criminal would be forced to take pause and ask himself was it really worth it. If you carry a concealed weapon, then the criminal places himself in close proximity to you BEFORE he knows you are packing. Tensions run higher then and the criminal will be able to determine if you have the stomach to use your weapon or not. The only time this fails is when the criminal happens upon an armed woman. Women can appear quite afraid while placing a nice five shot group in the bad guy's chest. You can't read women.

trogdor1289 · Post by **trogdor1289** » 2006-04-26 20:31

I feel that all citizens should have the right to bear arms we differ in how they should bear arms. I believe that they can buy, have guns ectr. without a firearms licence my only fear is what happens when people who know nothing about guns buy them and accidents happen. As to the open, hidden gun issue this is a social issue if you feel like you are in such a bad area you need to openly warn people you have a gun and you really want to still go there then wear it on your belt.

However in most situations the best response is to have it hidden the reasoning behind the CCW is for precisely the situation when a attacker is in your face you have to have the training to decide wether to fire or not. Your average person fresh of the street who has just bought a gun and whips it out will not have the expreince or training to properly asses the situation and respond accordilngy.

Sorry about the spelling and grammar i think i still got my point across.

But in the end it comes down to difference of opionion on how citizens should own guns. You do raise some good constuintial points my only worry is a bunch of people owning guns with no idea how to use them.

SiN|ScarFace · Post by **SiN|ScarFace** » 2006-04-26 20:45

Dude there are millions of gun owners who know how to use the weapon but still do stupid shit with them. And if you do own a gun and have shot it more than once, you know how to use it. Common sense goes a long way in gun safety, but shooting skill only comes from practice. More dumbasses kill people with car "accidents" than gun "accidents" by far.

I do think if you want to CC then you need a permit. And even still there are places (govt buildings, schools ect) where you cannot take the weapon even if consealed. You CAN obviously but you WILL get in trouble if caught.

Major Ursa Norte · Post by **Major Ursa Norte** » 2006-04-26 20:49

In my experience, they usually weed themselves out of the mix all on their own. We really don't differ much. I like the Old West approach. You see the gun and you must weigh the consequences of whether or not the individual that is toting it is proficient with it or not. Concealed weapons are just that, not known until they are drawn. Both views carry merit and both are practical as well as impractical under certain circumstances.

SiN|ScarFace · Post by **SiN|ScarFace** » 2006-04-26 21:05

There is nothing wrong with CC, I just happen to agree with the law saying you need a permit.

trogdor1289 · Post by **trogdor1289** » 2006-04-26 21:53

SiN the people having accidents with guns is valid the point still stands however they are more likely to have accidents if they are untrained. Man we really hijacked this thread.

SiN|ScarFace · Post by **SiN|ScarFace** » 2006-04-26 22:00

IF you have ever seen the video where a DEA agent who shoots himself in the foot while preaching gun safety to a class of kids.....

Most people who like guns learn or at least do some reading about how to shoot better, how to properly operate the weapon ect ect. And like I said gun saftey is more common sense than anything. Guns are not that complicated and can be rendered safe in less than a couple seconds if you have basic knowlege of the weapon you are handling.

Major Ursa Norte · Post by **Major Ursa Norte** » 2006-04-26 22:11

Yes we did so I will make this my last reply about our little sub-topic.

Sin, I truly understand what you are saying about gun safety. I am a Hunter Education/Safety instructor. At one time I was qualified as such in MS and AR. I have also completed and passed the NRA gun safety instructor class. Long ago, Hunter Ed/Safety was taught in our school system and schools even had Jr. NRA shooting teams. Times have changed and those days are gone. Most people's exposure to firearms comes from Hollywood or the evening news now. Even if you required a proficiency test prior to approval of a firearm sale, you would still only wind up educating law abiding folks. Just like locks on doors are only there to keep honest people honest, gun laws are only there for the law abiding population. Gun laws are only applicable to criminals IF they get themselves caught.

Deuce6 · Post by **Deuce6** » 2006-04-26 22:25

Schiller wrote:I gotta make this clear. There are two types of protection.

1. Standard body armour with protection against grenades
2. Standard body armour with cheramic plates to protect from some bullets depending on circumstances.

The 2 type may be used when on guard or similar, but the 1 type is used most frequently since not many soldiers can take the pain of wearing those plates all the time.

The 1 type doesn't take a bullet, the 2 type may take a bullet.

Then how come my entire brigade had body armor with ceramic plates? My batallion even got level III upgrades halfway through.

I know what types take what by the way. And if you can't take "the pain of wearing an extra 10 lbs", then you shouldn't be in the Army. Hell, most non infantry units only walk around with maybe ONE magazine on them throughout the day.

Schiller · Post by **Schiller** » 2006-04-27 14:06

Your brigade maybe was some kind of "human shield" that needed extra protection

Major Ursa Norte · Post by **Major Ursa Norte** » 2006-04-27 14:25

Schiller wrote:Your brigade maybe was some kind of "human shield" that needed extra protection

Oh MAN ! Was that a South Park the movie reference! So funny!

Schiller · Post by **Schiller** » 2006-04-27 19:04

It sure was.

trogdor1289 · Post by **trogdor1289** » 2006-04-27 19:37

Just saw that episode last night. It's a good one.

Lugubrum · Post by **Lugubrum** » 2006-05-04 10:12

I just bought this game 3 days ago and I really like it. The hitboxes are very realistic, for example: when you get shot in your foot you can almost not move for some seconds, or when you get shot in the hand your weapon will fall on the ground. In this game, using all available cover is more important than ever. And the sound of falling artillery is just terrifying! You can hear the artillery cracking through the sky like a thunderstorm so you better find cover FAST! There is also a more realistic gore level. There are really interesting things in this game Project Reality can learn from.

I have some screenshots but every screenshot is 3.5 mb so I can't upload them. Does anyone know why those screenshots are so big?

Cerberus · Post by **Cerberus** » 2006-05-04 10:37

Lugu wrote:I have some screenshots but every screenshot is 3.5 mb so I can't upload them. Does anyone know why those screenshots are so big?

Maybe they're not jpegs?

Lugubrum · Post by **Lugubrum** » 2006-05-04 13:05

It's a bitmap image. Is it possible to make it a smaller image?