Hypothetical Situation. 8 Marines vs 56 Insurgents.

[DavidP]

This was brought up Last Night on Basrah v2 server amongst me and my squadmates.


Who would win in a pitched Battle, 8 Marines or 56 Insurgents?


Conditions are as follows.


General: Map is 500x500 meters. Marines spawn and defend a 20x20 meter square structure in the middle of a Desert with rolling hills and lots of sand dunes. The first 100m from each side of the building is perfectly flat land with almost zero cover. Anything after that is just hills and dunes that are extremely good for cover. Towards the edge of the Map are the only insurgent spawns. 1 in each direction & corner.(N,NE,E,SE,S,SW,W,NW) There are no Respawns for both sides! And each team spawns in with only 1 kit.


Marines: The structure that you are defending is a 3 story Building with plenty of windows and doors to shoot from. Your kit contains a Ka-Bar combat knife, M16 with 1+1 Magazines, Restricted to Semi-Auto(No Burst or Auto), Iron Sights only No ACOGs, Binoculars, And 1 Field dressing. That's it! No Medic, Smokes, or Nades. On each floor + roof is an Ammo dump that will supply enough Ammo for up to 50 Magazines and/or 50 Field dressings. You can move between levels either by ladder or stairs. Each level consists of one room, except for the First floor which is separated into 2 parts. Front Room where the only entrance/exit out of the building is. And Backroom where the Ladder and stairs are. The M16 can kill an Insurgent anywhere on the body(Minus head) with 3 shots. It is accurate up to 300m before bullet drop. And it takes 2 shots to force an Insurgent to start bleeding. On the roof you have the most visibility but the most vulnerability. Your mission is to survive the Insurgent Onslaught. You do not Respawn!

Insurgents: You spawn all the way back to the edge of the Map. You're spawn points are hidden behind sand dunes so the Marines cannot see them. The First 400m from your spawn points are rocky/sandy dunes that are good for hiding and moving about in. But be warned the Marines can still hit you there if you are not careful. Your kit contains a Knife, AK47 with 1+4 Magazines, and 1 Field dressing. No RPG, SVD, or Molotovs. Your weapon is accurate only to 100m, And only up to 100m! Anything past that and it's wild deviation makes it nearly impossible to hit anything. But it has Semi and Full auto ability. It takes 1 shot to make the enemy bleed, and 2 shots to kill. You cannot re-arm/re-equip yourself in the desert. You can re-arm from the enemy ammo dumps in the Building. Your mission is to Eliminate all Marines in the Building. You do not Respawn!




So tell me this, Who do you think would win? 8 Marines with highly accurate weapons or 56 Insurgents with their sheer Numbers?






EDIT: Let me clarify something. The AK47 is accurate up to 100m. After that wild deviation and bullet drop kick in making it unusable past 100m. The M16 on the other hand has a predicatble bullet drop. That means shooting past 300m the bullets will fall down in a straight line. AK47 will not.














Personally I think it would be the Marines if they manage to keep them past 100m. Other people say Insurgents if they Rush the Marines.

[Rudd]

insurgents, the rush shall win the day. especially if a PKM is involved

[waldo_ii]

If there is penetration through the walls of the building, there is no question. 56 people unloading 7.62x39?

Even without, there is enough bullets to keep the Marines in cover long enough for you to advance, then clearing the building shouldn't be a problem if you rush 10, 15 guys in there, AKs blazing on auto.

[gclark03]

Easy Insurgent victory by sheer numbers. You could have half of them die to give time for the other half to enter the building.

Alamo v2...

[GeneralNorth]

would be fun with this kinda scenario on a map. for the real hardcore players of pr

[Teek]

Marines will lose everytime. 2 mags, Iron-sights, and single shot only is worse than the AKs.

[General Dragosh]

Alamo v2...

Its more like Alaha v2 to me xD

[Bob_Marley]

Insurgents. The AK is effective way past 100m. Especially when there are 56 of them firing on full auto in the general direction of the enemy.

Two thirds of the insurgents provide cover fire while the remaining third advances on the Marines' position. The sheer amount of fire and its suppression effect will prevent the Marines from engauging either the advancing troops or those providing covering fire effectivly (as the insurgents don't need to be accurate they've got 5400 rounds to keep the marines heads down with [which is all they need to do] and some of those rounds will hit marines, even at extended range.). The Marines remain pinned down in the building until the 18 insurgents who are advancing on the position burst in through the door with weapons that fire on full auto and are more powerful than what the 8 marines inside have.

The only time the Marines might have a chance is if the insurgents attempted a knife rush. But even then, with only 100m of open ground to cover for the insurgents (as you said, anything beyond 100m is very good cover and the insurgents could, therefore, move up to that point without being detected, or at least effectivly engauged) and there being 56 of them, they'd still have a good chance.

[Scot]

Give the Marines all kits, and it turns into a fight. Without, the Marines would get owned.

[Raniak]

Even if you give them a tank I'm not sure if they would survive.

[GreedoNeverShot]

With the PR Marines being different then the actual ones, and the Marines have unfavorable circumstances and 2 mags with no ironsights, the Insurgents would win.

[ralfidude]

If u give them a tank, u can ALWAYS win

i will need only 2 people in the tank, and i can take care of at least half the force, then the remaining squad can take care of the rest. It can be done.

But just foot soldiers against that many troops is pure suicide.

[jaspercat444]

Insurgents would win. But if they Marines had ACOG's, maybe 4 mags total, and burst fire, I think the Marines would win.

[daranz]

Give them a LAV, so they have something to board and run away in, after calling in a timely JDAM on the position they were in seconds ago.

[gazzthompson]

INS easy, any day of the week. the AK is still very good in PR and people dont act like real INS so... INS every time.

[Dunehunter]

Depends on how suicidal and organized the insurgents are. Are they willing to sacrifice themselves to the rest can get in there? And do they have a good chain of command so they can make use of that?

[Truism]

As training cannot adequately be simulated in PR, the insurgents can win by massed fire every time.

[motherdear]

make it marines with the choice between acog, iron or medic (limited to 2), and then give the marines 5 to ten minutes to prepare and give them the old .5 anti infantry kit with remote claymores and then it would be quite fun to see who would win. i believe that this would demonstrate a spec ops team caught behind enemy lines and using all of their skills to their advantage against a outnunbering enemy.

if this is done this could be a very interesting game.

[RedAlertSF]

If marines could have several grenadiers, medics and automatic riflemans, it could be possible.

[Spec]

The only chance I see for the marines is throwing smoke nades all over the place and get the **** out of there, all in different directions. With some luck one or two might survive.