Hypothetical Situation. 8 Marines vs 56 Insurgents.

[Outlawz7]

Would be more interesting if Marines could use one M14 and the SAW along with ACOG M16s, all kits get extra ammo but no ammo resources except the rifleman's ammo bag.

[LudacrisKill]

only iron sights for marines? Insurgents then...

+ this is all about skill...

[Tannhauser]

lol at the storm of 40 molotovs dropping on said building .. Molotov artilery anyone?

[gazzthompson]

+ this is all about skill...

if we some how got 8 of the best PR players they would still lose.

[KingLorre]

Until the little birds arive to provide fire support, and while they await the ground convoi of Paki/US 5th mountain to arive. the'll be screwed However if like 3/4th of the insurgents would be civilians in angry mobs coming at the blackhawk crash sites( im floating of the black hawk down now) they might stand a chance!


No seriously. they wont survive

[LeadMagnet]

Who brings 1 spare mag to a firefight? I mean really....The whole scenario is so wildly skewed I can't believe you'd even question the outcome.

[Tirak]

Who brings 1 spare mag to a firefight? I mean really....The whole scenario is so wildly skewed I can't believe you'd even question the outcome.

Yeah man, I mean like, those civis don't stand a chance against Marines j/k

Molotov artillery would be funny too

[Smooth[EST]]

Would be intresting and popular map, but there always will be last guy whos sneaking around and dont want to die, for teammates sake, and thats boring. The win depends how good the players are.

Just for comment, the AK is lethal even with 800m IRL.

[A.English]

I give a better scenerio...same Parameters..but with a section of hardend Royal Marine Commnados in place?......

[A.English]

Or indeed section of 22nd SAS =P

[Ragni<RangersPL>]

Who would win in a pitched Battle, 8 Marines or 56 Insurgents?

Insurgents...



I suggest using PR_SP for similar simulations

[Uladh]

didnt read the thread but anyone heard of Mirbat?

9 sas ( yes i know there not us marines)

The BATT house and the defence
On 19 July 1972 the men were on the end of their tour, and were to go home after a couple of months of uneventful events. Only some "harmless" mortar rounds had been fired at the town.

The day of the attack was well chosen. Because of the monsoon season, with fog in the morning and low cloud base, no air support was possible. The 250 adoo were well armed with ak-47 Kalashnikovs, heavy machine guns, mortars, recoilless rifles and even a Carl Gustav 84 mm rocket launcher. The adoo were highly professional soldiers, swift and ready to prove their strength. It should be a walkover to take the town.
The only defence being the BATT house with the nine SAS men.

he attack begins...

In the morning at 5.00 shots were heard as an adoo scouting group attacked an outpost of gendarmerie (8 men) some 800 meters to the north. Four gendarmes died, the others fled to safety. Immediately six mortars, 2000 meters to the north, started firing. Two other groups of adoo were to attack either side of the town. The previous day a patrol of the local firqat had been lured away into the hills, thus, leaving the town itself with few warriors. Things were getting serious, but the SAS, so that the firing positions were not giving prematurely away, did not fire the guns on the roof.

Pete Wignal was sent down to make a radio call to Um al Gwarif, some 40 miles away, on the PRC 316 radio set. As explosions rocked the building he neglected the code procedures and send in morse: OA this is 82. Contact. Under heavy fire. Wait. Out. He went back to the roof and Labalaba went to the gun pit to assist the Omani gunner. The DG fort got a hit from a 75 mm recoilless rifle.

At about 6.00 a.m. some 40 adoo approached the wire towards the DG fort. Kealy thought it could be the firqat patrol coming back. Then the men in the Wali fort started firing and all hell broke loose. It started raining lead. Wignall and Chapman started shooting adoo at the wire. Bradshaw picked off a leader with a calm well- aimed shot with his SLR. The adoo were pulling on the barbed wire with bare hands. They kept coming in wide spread groups of 10 men and the 25pdr fired in direct-fire role at point blank. The DG fort and gun being essential received the focus of the attack. Some adoo went around to the town.

On the walkie-talkie Labalaba told Kealy that he was shot in the chin. The firing rate of the gun slowed down. Saveseki took some extra medical supplies and went for the gun pit some 700 meters away. It was the try of a lifetime for the rugby player. He made it and went to the DG fort for help. Finally the door opened and an Omani gunner named Khalid came out to help. When the men were back at the gun pit Khalid was shot in the stomach. Labalaba and Saveseki fired the gun, and had to crawl to load and shoot because of the intense small arms fire. Savesaki got hit in the shoulder, head and back. He was only able to shoot his SLR. With superhuman power Labalaba loaded and fired the gun on his own.

At 7.00 the first big crisis seemed over and there was a lull in the shooting.
A radio call was made to HQ at Salalah for helicopters for the wounded and a request for jet support. There was no radio contact with the gun pit and Kealy and Tobin went to the gun. When they were halfway all hell broke loose again. Kealy and Tobin found Labalaba still firing and Saveseki was still covering the left hand side of the fort with his SLR. The Omani gunner was seriously wounded. As Tobin started to help him he was mortally wounded. There was a big explosion and more adoo came through the wire towards the gun pit. When Labalaba went for a 60 mm mortar he was shot in the neck and killed. Kealy was firing his SLR point blank at the attackers. The Batt house was ordered, by radio, for mortar support and to fire the machineguns on each side of the fort. Harris could not make the elevation with the mortar so he held the tube to his chest to adjust the firing range.
In the gun pit rolled a grenade but it turned out to be a dud.

Suddenly, in the nick of time, at a height of 30 meters Strikemaster jets came with assistance. They fired their machineguns and rockets at the adoo. Kealy and Bradshaw directed the jets to the important places.

On the beach south of the town 23 men from G squadron SAS were dropped with some GPMG`s. They were about to go to the shooting range and directed to Mirbat. With help of some local firqat the town was cleared of adoo.
The battle was over around 12.30.

The SAS lost two men, Labalaba and Tobin.
Savesaki was badly wounded.
After the fight 38 dead adoo were brought in but about 80 died in the battle. Some dead were taken along during the retreat of the adoo.

The battle was a really close call but a turning point in the war.

Mike Kealy was awarded a DSO for his actions. Directly after the battle he volunteered to go help the firqat patrol to come back safely.
Tobin and Bradshaw were awarded the Military Medal.
Labalaba got only a Mention in Despatches - he should have got the VC for what he did.

[bosco_]

And now...



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[GeneralNorth]

Ofc the british would win. the americans would get overrun in no time. easy.

[Maverick]

Do the Marines get to wear Dragonskin? If so, then they win!

[CodeRedFox]

Do the Marines get to wear Dragonskin? If so, then they win!

No they do not, check out threads on this site about it or Wikipedia.

Ofc the british would win. the americans would get overrun in no time. easy.

Get out of our land, again! And take your damn tea with you

[Scot]

CodeRedFox;866523']Get out of our land, again! And take your damn tea with you

No! We are introducing fish and chips aswell, and not the crappy stuff, let's see you have a Boston fish and chips party!

[Teek]

with 100 marines, you will have around 25 m249s, and 25 M14s, and 25 m203s and with modern defences (Hesco and container bunkers), Marines will win. Each marine must kill 1,120 red coats. A Brit can fire at a rate of 3 shots a minute, A m249 can fire 800 rounds in the same time, plus with marksmen, you can pick off the officers and colours, quickly demoralizing them.