Suppressed Pistol and Better camo for Sniper?

[Hartmanngr]

Merry Xmas and may all have a happy new year!!!


Im honor to have the advantage to suggest my proposal for a better camouflage and a suppressed pistol for the pure sniper.In many cases i catch my self not firing in enemies near me (about 20m) because i didn't want to be a target for other enemies who cover their mates.Thats why i believe that maybe santa give a Suppressed Pistol to the sniper as a gift and maybe a new clothe to warm him out in nasty situations.I believe that a better camo will be fit perfectly in the new fields created by the honor member of the dev team.

Thanks for listening my ideas.
[GR-OF]Hartmanngr leader of BF2142 GR-OF division.

[Hartmanngr]

Me as Hartmann i play this time more as squad-leader than as a sniper.I play the sniper kit only if i have one teammate in my TS and this case i will be a spotter than a sniper because i like to guide the others more than be the guy who finally pull the trigger . I make this suggestion because on BF2 vanilla the sniper kit has a silencer in the pistol and in PR the only kit who has the silencer is the spec op.I believe that a spec op and a sniper has a similar work to do and they can be a group as spotter and shooter because we cant forgot than in real life a sniper has a special forces training.I suggest it also because is a easy to change it by the devs and its not lagging the system too.A better camo it doesn't mean than the current camo is not good but we can make it better because the devs are gifted people and they have passion to they works and we are all much appreciate them for this.When you are a sniper you have also have in mind the bad luck factor that is mean the situation when you think that all is secure and fine and something came up from nothing like a enemy squad or a enemy patrol vehicle. In maps like ghost train its usual situation because of the jungle.In this case you lay down and you don't move and pray for the camo to do the job. Then if the enemy is a squad member or a enemy leader who is alone because he is retreating from a fight to another rally then is more good to kill him with a silence gun because if he die at once he will not know later the kind of weapon or person or even the location the bullet from. And believe me if someone's kills me i will realize the kind of weapon because i know all the sounds of the weapons and im not the only one.In this case if someone kills me with a pistol i will know it and not only me because maybe there will be hidden many of my squad. A sniper is the most stealthy kit and he fires only if he needed to much.

I apologize for my english are not the best. Thank you.

[Hartmanngr]

The Devs what they thing about for all that?Are possible to make a Suppressed Pistol and Better camo for Sniper?

[arjan]

If im not mistaken, a sniper doesnt nessacarily has special forces training? ??:
And if you would be laying in the jungles of OGT stay their, theirs no need to shoot the enemie, snipers are ment to shoot guys from distances, and to provide recon and stuff,

[ReconAus]

Well if you have the choice of wether to engage a target or not at close proximity, then there is no need for you to fire your weapon. And if you don't have a choice then having a suppressed pistol won't help much especially if the enemy is communicating well, in fact it would probably be less useful than the standard issue side arm due to the ineffectiveness of its subsonic round compared to the regular.
You really shouldn't be engaging targets at close range, if the enemy is that close and your forced to engage then you have done something wrong.
The only effect that issuing a suppressed side arm to the sniper will result in is the transition of how the kit is perceived by the players, to being even more leet.
As it is now, many people take the kit only to get a high kill death ratio. This isn't what the kit is intended for, sometimes it is far better to let a couple live in order to achieve more. This not only will probably allow you to live longer, but also make your roles such as taking out high priority targets and gathering intelligence much easier as the enemy isn't aware you are there and are far less cautious than they should be.
Regarding the camo, at the moment it only draws at incredibly close ranges, whether that could be changed or not, I've no idea. Map design is far more critical to this area of game play than any camo could every be, and there’s a positive indicator that the devs wish to enhance and promote this behaviour with the implementation of the new field statics.
Maps such as Korengal are a great improvement over some of the more outdated maps in the ability for the player to remain concealed, hopefully we'll see more intuitive approaches to concealment in latter instalments of the mod.

Exiled.

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[Harrod200]

A supressed weapon is only good in reality because it allows you to blend into the environment more ('a supressor doesn't make you silent but it does make you invisible'), so I can see where you're coming with that and the added camo, BUT supressors are offensive. They're only useful when the enemy doesn't know where you are, allowing you to gain suprise first strike attack and follow it up with 1-2 more max.

In game as a sniper, if someone is within pistol range and doesn't know you're there, chances are they are just going to walk right past you. If you shoot them, they will inform their squadmates and you'll soon find yourself in a whole mess of trouble.

Now in reality, a supressed pistol can be nigh on silent, which makes it useful in a stealthy attack when one wishes to minimise casualties/get in undetected; dead men don't call for help. In game however, you get shot in the head by a supressed pistol and you can talk to your squadmates and tell them where you were, thus completely eliminating the purpose of the weapon.

Conclusion; A supressor makes a weapon offensive (I struggle to find any purpose for a supressor in a defensive role, counting ambushes as offence; if you're returning fire, they already know where you are). A sniper's pistol is a defensive weapon, made for short range combat when he's bumped too close to use his rifle. Therefore, adding a supressor would, as Exiled pointed out, turn the weapon into an offensive device, which is not its purpose.

Better camo is always a good thing, but ghille suits' failiure to render at range is an engine thing, and they already work pretty damned well close up.

[ReconAus]

If im not mistaken, a sniper doesnt nessacarily has special forces training? ??:
And if you would be laying in the jungles of OGT stay their, theirs no need to shoot the enemie, snipers are ment to shoot guys from distances, and to provide recon and stuff,

AFAIK snipers recive certain elements of special Forces training, but for the most they train in stalking, marksmanship, camouflage and the maths side of shooting e.g. how to judge distance, elevation, wind speed and so on.

Maybe [R-DEV]Gaz could shead some light on this.

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[Harrod200]

The Devs what they thing about for all that?Are possible to make a Suppressed Pistol and Better camo for Sniper?

Dunno about the camo, but the Devs' opinions on supressed weapons is detailed a bit here.

[Hotrod525]

Well to be honest whit you... the M9 is NOT suppressed in real life... ( talking about US Sniper/SF ) cause the M9 is not machined to fit a suppressor, they use the SOCOM .45AUTO alot more effective even whit a suppressor...

[Smuke]

Honestly, i've never needed to use a pistol as a sniper in PR, Your their for recon, not amassing 200000 uber kills,

Marine out.

[dyson20]

i think he is right in a way because it's just a game and its not as easy to hear or sea an enemy squad close and if they pass close by and you know which one is the sl then u can take him out without alerting the rest of the squad and then the better camo can help if they no where u shoot from or u dnt kill him you can stay hidden better

[ReadMenace]

desert maps they should look like everyother soldier since they don't normally use the guille suits there.

If I have my way (My kit geos getting adopted), this will be the case, for the US Army atleast.

As for a silenced pistol, if your enemy doesn't see you, and you don't want to be seen, don't shoot.

-REad

[Hartmanngr]

The suppressed pistol is stupid, a sniper is not sniping people with his pistol.

In fact if you have to use your pistol you should not be using the sniper kit. The only time a sniper should have a side arm out is when you have to run through hostile territory to get to a new hide.

If you are trying to sneak around buildings and pop people in the back of the head without getting caught you should delete PR and just play BF2 Vanilla.

Mmmh you just not read my post. Take a second look. And are you sure that snipers dont have pistol in their gear?Maybe you are a sniper in your real life.

[IAJTHOMAS]

Take your own advice, nowhere does he suggest snipers aren't equiped with sidearms nor imply they should not be. Infact he even gives what he considers to be a valid example of when they should be used in game.

If you're using your pistol as a sniper, somethings gone wrong and you should be trying to move to a new position, not to shoot enemies with a pistol. If they haven't seen you, don't shoot them.

[Hawk_345]

For this i would say that if the snipers received much better concealing cammo, you would not need the suppressed pistol because the enemy would not see you if you remained silent. So for an effective sniper, in suport of troops i mean, which is rare in most casses but not non existent,beter cammo would make sense.

[Hartmanngr]

About the camo are the devs have any idea?What maybe should feet perfectly with the terrain?Can we make it possible like this for example :




or this : ImageShack - Image Hosting :: ordl115a3andsniperghillex4.jpg

[Rudd]

what you guys on?

grass doesn't render at distance, use the new fields for concealment that will be in .85

atm you have to keep out of effective assualt rifle range and use natural concealment other than grass, that means rocks, trees, bushes and fallen treetrunks.

Perhaps areas of low density grass used sparingly might help, but I wouldn't want to be the evil bugger who punishes our fellow comrades with antique computers.

silenced sidearm? meh, can live with or without. tbh, unless I'm lucky enough for a knife kill I'd just leave the guy alone and relocate. <- realistic tactics are Moar fun.

[Epim3theus]

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