just one question.. wth are the pistols?

Top_Cat_AxJnAt · Post by **Top_Cat_AxJnAt** » 2006-04-30 17:23

please please comment or say somthing about mY idea that has no been backed up with hard eveidnece, pelase achnolage it@s excistance.

would it work??????????

Malik · Post by **Malik** » 2006-04-30 17:29

It'd be quite possible to give the AT guy 3 or so of those dumbfire rockets and an SMG, I'd probably prefer that to having two SRAWs and a pistol. Once again, this would be perfect if we could have alternative loadouts for each class, you can either have the lightly armed AT guy with dumb rockets or the even lightlier armed AT guy with a swervy rocket.

Top_Cat_AxJnAt · Post by **Top_Cat_AxJnAt** » 2006-04-30 17:51

I hate to say this again but :

ANTI TANK MAN WITH SMG = RUN AND GUN AND POOR TEAMWORK.

(and they say my armoured hunvee is toopowerfull)

Pence · Post by **Pence** » 2006-04-30 17:56

Top _Cat the great wrote:I hate to say this again but :

ANTI TANK MAN WITH SMG = RUN AND GUN AND POOR TEAMWORK.

(and they say my armoured hunvee is toopowerfull)

It is if it has a TOW on it. Tanks are BF-Bullshi!

Top_Cat_AxJnAt · Post by **Top_Cat_AxJnAt** » 2006-04-30 17:59

Actually if you read my conclution carefully in the jeep suggestion topic you would find that it was decided that a TOW shoudll not to equipted to a hunvee, and even 50cals where in dout!

six7 · Post by **six7** » 2006-04-30 18:02

AT-4 w/ m16: totally realistic. I dont think they should be resupplied by ammo bags though. They should only get 1-2 AT missile as well.

One problem i have with most class loadouts is the lack of ammunition for each calss. medics, grenadiers, etc should have 7 mags + 1 in the gun. Dedicated riflemen should have 11+1 mags. Grenadiers should get ate least 8 40m grenades and also 2 hand grenades as well. Medics should not lose their grenades, as they would carry them in a combat situation

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2006-04-30 18:11

six7 wrote:individual soldiers who feel the need can buy personal pistols (my cousin in Iraq uses a 60 year old colt .45). Spec-ops like the SEALS and MARSOC are issued pistols as well. I though NCOs were issued pistols but I guess I was mistaken.

Military police (including criminal investigations personnel), security forces, crew-served weapon gunners (medium machineguns, mortars, man-portable rocket launchers/recoilless rifles/ATGMs), tankers, aviators/aircrew, Navy VBSS teams (manned by trained personnel from each ship), snipers and certain combat arms officers and NCOs carry sidearms as well as special operations forces.

In the OLD, old days pistols were one way to identify an officer or cavalry (or other specialist troops) on the battlefield because they were often issued them instead of rifles; the pistols could be used from horseback and were a complement to the sword/saber, which in addition to being used for close combat was a tool for signalling orders. Some historians hold that officers were issued sidearms to use on deserters rather than the enemy. Think of the spear vs. sword distinction; spears were the weapons of the common infantryman across cultures and continents, with daggers or short swords as their secondary weapons. The longer swords were used by the officers and the cavalry, the military elite of the time. Now the rifle is the spear (not just metaphorically when bayonets are fixed) and the pistol is like the sword, in that it is a mark of distinction in addition to being a weapon.

Service policy on bringing privately owned weapons (POWs) into the field, even on exercises, is generally highly restrictive; they may be confiscated immediately (or after an amnesty period, as I heard once happened in Panama) and you may receive some kind of penalty for doing so. To give you an example, the Army recently threatened loss of KIA benefits to soldiers who purchased and brought their own body-armor to Iraq.

Terranova wrote:One thing I'm pushing for, the Predator system has been canned by USMC. I'm hoping that the AT class is replaced by a dumbfire system such as the AT-4. Now they could be armed with an AT-4 and a rifle. I've seen plenty of pictures of them.

As I've said before, single-shot, disposable light anti-armor and bunker-buster weapons we wish to include as a weapons option for the rifleman classes. These are weapons that are integral to rifle squads that all riflemen are trained to use in volleys as a last ditch measure against armor and other hardened targets. Specialist anti-tank troops have reusable launchers and assistant gunners.

BTW, that photo doesn't show an AT-4. That's a Marine Corps assaultman (MOS 0351) with his SMAW in carrying configuration and using his sidearm. What looks like an AT-4 is actually an encased SMAW round.

Top_Cat_AxJnAt · Post by **Top_Cat_AxJnAt** » 2006-04-30 18:11

i almost agree,. I am in complete an utter support of assult having an ammo bag. And if an assult man chooses a single rocket it needs to be decided more carefully as to whether he keeps
- smoke
- frags
- ammo bag

THe grenade launcher would definatley go. ALos the ammo bag should only provide 5.62mm rounds and mabe shot gun and 7.62 - this is realsitic.
But as Six7 said an increased ammount of ammuntion that can not be given out would make this less of a "problem".

The rocket the assult class gets should be disposable but the one the anti tank class has shoudl not be.
p.s this was written before the above post was posted - therefore it repeats ideas BUT at the smae time i feel very much vindicated

Top_Cat_AxJnAt · Post by **Top_Cat_AxJnAt** » 2006-04-30 18:13

please delete - cant see delete button

Gaz · Post by **Gaz** » 2006-04-30 18:20

PPS) The EDIT button works wonders

Deuce6 · Post by **Deuce6** » 2006-04-30 19:26

Baker is right on. I never had a pistol until I was reassigned to weapons squad. You can't fight close quarters with a 240, so I had a pistol as well. It's also a last ditch effort to keep myself alive by giving me a 9mm.

As for bringing your own pistols, the army issues 9mm rounds. I haven't EVER seen an .45 rounds issued from the Army. Once you run out of ammo, that's it. It just doesn't make sense to bring your own personal firearm. Plus the fact that you could NEVER bring it back.