[Faction Proposal] JGSDF Forces

[Tannhauser]

The problem is there are billions of variants to make from what the plan shows, and billion variants kinda doesn't give me the feel of an organized-standardized army.. more the feel vBF2 gave me.

AA and LAT should both have a long rifle, I don't see why they'd trade a longer range for a CQC carbine when they have both open-groud long-range missile/rocket launchers... doesn't make sense to me really. And why not give an MD33 to his gun? All other conventional faction's LATs have scopes.

About the type 64 it's kind of tricky, being a reservist weapon of different caliber than the Type 89, I'd go towards the Type 89 because it'd be more effective to standardize their equipment rather than have to keep up with large numbers of both calibers. I honestly have no idea what kit could get the Type 64 other than the DMR or the engineer... But the DMR Type 89 looks better IMO, so maybe just ditch the Type 64? With all those variants I think AREM has enough work to do anyway xD
But again, the kit setups will be changed in PR 0.85 so we'll have to see how it goes for the engineer classes.

[Tannhauser]

I heard somebody was making the Kawasaki OH-1 Ninja recon helicopter, here's some ref pictures. HOWEVER, remember to mount the weapons as to who'd want to fly an unnarmed chopper in PR? Reference of armed OH-1 at page end, also, OH-2 is being designed as a full attack helicopter variant for the JASDF so in the near future we'll see them for sure.









also, it's usually unnarmed, but the OH-1 can be equipped with some heavy weaponry, it looks like an armed to teeth commanche IMO

Loadout
- OR 8x Toshiba Type 91 short-range air-to-air missiles
- OR 8x (not defined) anti tank missiles
- 20mm Cannon under the nose
- 2x rocket pods (x19 rockets per pods = 38 rockets total)
»» 2 seats, 1 pilot, 2 gunner

Refs :
Kawasaki OH-1 Light Scout and Observation Helicopter | Military-Today.com

[sekiryu]

M3 Carl-Gustav with a standard Type 89 slung. The M9 SMG is rarely used. Probably only for MPs and guards.

Note on the Minimi used by the JGSDF. It's the standard old Minimi with the skeleton stock, but it does have a heatshield over the barrel.

[Panzerfire]

wow an armed OH-1?
That's be cool... but we gotta start deciding on which helicopter to use!
The GSDF is using AH-1 Cobras and AH-64 Apaches. The most easy option would be to use the Apache as it only required a skin (Made by Rambo Hunter). The Cobra from BF2 happens to be a Super Cobra which is not used by the JGSDF.

Also... I though some maps for the JSDF could be based in the middle east. As most of us know the JGSDF was deployed in Iraq for some time (Although the deployment's legality was uncertain).
How about a small map with JGSDF vs Insurgent? That was for a while a very possible scenario for the JGSDF when they were deployed in Iraq.

[sekiryu]

ooo, that just gave me an idea for a Mid-East map.

[Tannhauser]

Also... I though some maps for the JSDF could be based in the middle east. As most of us know the JGSDF was deployed in Iraq for some time (Although the deployment's legality was uncertain).
How about a small map with JGSDF vs Insurgent? That was for a while a very possible scenario for the JGSDF when they were deployed in Iraq.

I certainly agree with you as in the future i'm sure atricle 9 will me countered/removed.. Overly possible if China/North Korea (North Korea having tested Taepodongs over japanese airspace, wich triggered a rising in action for JSDF funds and needs for BMD systems wich are in joint development with US military) becomes agressive.
So yeah, we could make Middle East maps and I think that would be cool. If any mapper is willing to do that, go ahead!

However the problem is that the article 9 restrictions are really a bummer for any military intervention outside mainland for the JSDF. Apparently when those JSDF forces were in Iraq, ADF had soldiers all around to protect them as the JSDF weren't allowed to fire.
Same goes for most JSDF officers sent in the world to help UN peace enforcement operations (wich is what they usually doing)

[sekiryu]

I've got a nice reference book called 戦う！陸上自衛隊: JGSDF in Action (Fight! Ground Self-Defense Force). I'm getting scans right now.

[Panzerfire]

I think it's more interesting to keep focus on an Asian map (invasion of Japan). Also, they'rn't any more JSDF soldiers in Mid-East and their mission wasn't military.

Well it was for rebuilding just like a PRT in A-stan.
However the team was armed and the possibility of engagement was very real. Luckily they've managed to their work pretty much without insurgent attacks.

I still think a ME based map where the JGSDF has to put up with an insurgency attack would fit PR very well. It's true that the JGSDF team pulled from Iraq but hey... It's a fictional near future. It wouldn't be surprise if the US managed to convince the Japanese goverment to send another small team of soldiers to contribute in peacekeeping operations in the future (Whetter it's in the ME or in another region).
Don't get me wrong... Maps based on Japan an other East Asian localities would be awesome and I do believe the JSDF faction should be more focused on those map. But one ME map where the JSDF has to fight against insurgents would offer a nice variation.

Oh hell... Let's kick the table of reality and have it MEC vs JSDF on armored vehicles battle somewhere in Central Asia. Just kidding.

[sekiryu]

JGSDF Mid-East base.


Medic with Type 64

By sekiryu


By sekiryu

[sekiryu]

I'm not really sure how common those markings are.

By the way, that scope-like object on the Type 89 isn't actually a scope, its' the IR laser emitter for the MILES system.

Also, on the Japanese voices. We can use the voices used in the CQB mod; the CQB mod team did not create the Japanese voices, they took them from BF1942.

[Panzerfire]

Also, on the Japanese voices. We can use the voices used in the CQB mod; the CQB mod team did not create the Japanese voices, they took them from BF1942.

I'd be really careful there... PR is allowed to use BF2, SF, AF and EF packs. But are the devs allowed to use any other EA and Dice stuff? ??:

The CQB team has made use of a lot of SF stuff when most other mods don't get permission (Luckily PR does). I think the guys on CQB have taken stuff from the extra pack without asking EA.

[sekiryu]

We're already taking and modifying stuff from EA by modding BF2, so why not be able to import .ogg files from BF1942?

[Panzerfire]

We're already taking and modifying stuff from EA by modding BF2, so why not be able to import .ogg files from BF1942?

I don't know... but on the PoE2 forums I've seen many complains about they not being able to use anything that is either made by them or already available in BF2.

Now I know PR can take stuff from BF2 (Or else PR wouldn't even exist lol) and its extra packs.

However I'm very suspicious on whetter the Devs are likely to allow this faction to take the voices from BF1942 or not.

We have to ask them first before taking stuff from another EA game

[Tannhauser]

I have no idea either but BF1942 is far from giving any more cash to it's creators... So I doubt they'd go mad at you for using what's outdated for them. But you never know, it's EA

Judging from the few I know, if we're forced to have somebody rec the voices, he'd have to speak the military language and accent very well, from what I've heard it's a bit tougher and rougher ... And also the dialects are varied and different so it'd be up to the speaker's knowledge and dialect(s) lol

[Panzerfire]

Meaning we'll have to find a couple JGSDF soldiers that want to share their voices for PR.

lol... that will be hard.