why everyone hates commander?

[DannyIMK]

i was commanding first an insurgent team on al basrah, they didn't really liked me, maybe its because i didn't accepted mortars (they wanted to use mortars on infantry etc..) and also problem with logistics (they want to build hideouts and i can't accept much build orders at once, logistic bar take time to reload)
and then i was commanding US team on insurgency, squads didn't have problem except one squad

and then i got kicked by admin the reason say that i make people mad but i don't think that i made people made except one squad leader

but what so bad with commander? atleast i was commanding and in most servers
there is no commander.

maybe its because i don't have a mic, but i don't really need a mic, i don't need to give info so fast like reporting infantry units etc(thats job for squads and not the whole team gotta know about it)
and if they want to report about an cache its better to be on chat cause i don't always understand on the voip or hear

[Rudd]

Mic is not necessary for commanding really as you say.

Some people get very annoyed over the build order thing, but that is their problem, and if I was kicked from that server fr that, I would never return.

[DannyIMK]

well im not sure i heard also that there is !vk that with 10 votes will kick but there was reason(something that !vk don't have i think)

anyway i still play but maybe not as commander. i guess that there are better commanders then me

[D-JHappyMeal]

could there be a sollution for the problem of a commander being missing?

[Levesly]

You dont actually need a CO any more. Only for area attacks like Mortars or JDAM, everything else can be built without one

[Rudd]

Might as well go the whole hog and make it so you don't need a commander for area attacks

[nathanator8811]

Since the commander was essentially killed off in 0.8, people have gotten used to not have to request a build order to place a firebase, or have someone tell them things at times they really dont want to hear.

For the new version, a new kind of tyrannical and belligerent commander is required to crush these rebellious tendencies under a fist of steel before the new version gets too settled. And it must be often too, or people will, in general, become used to playing without one yet again. Which makes them dislike having one, as not many people truly like being bossed around, once they taste freedom that is. CRUSH THEM!

Note: this tactic will only work if the commander is at least halfway competent, and communicative. If he doesn't know what he's doing it will only make the problem worse.

note 2: I am not responsible for any consequences which may or may not befall anyone who may or may not choose to pursue the above strategy. Tax, tag, and license may apply, see store for details.

[Gaven]

Is the commander still in jail?

[CanuckCommander]

i was commanding first an insurgent team on al basrah, they didn't really liked me, maybe its because i didn't accepted mortars (they wanted to use mortars on infantry etc..) and also problem with logistics (they want to build hideouts and i can't accept much build orders at once, logistic bar take time to reload)
and then i was commanding US team on insurgency, squads didn't have problem except one squad

and then i got kicked by admin the reason say that i make people mad but i don't think that i made people made except one squad leader

but what so bad with commander? atleast i was commanding and in most servers
there is no commander.

maybe its because i don't have a mic, but i don't really need a mic, i don't need to give info so fast like reporting infantry units etc(thats job for squads and not the whole team gotta know about it)
and if they want to report about an cache its better to be on chat cause i don't always understand on the voip or hear

The COMMANDER should be renamed to something like Coordinator. People keep getting confused. You are NOT supposed to MICRO Command. YES!! It pisses the F*ck out of all Squad Leaders, so DON"T DO IT.

Instead, your role is to COORDINATE all squads. Communicate the missing link between SL to SL. For example, if squad 2 needs ammo, tell the logistic squad to bring them ammo. One thing that Squad Leaders hate the most, I know this because I squad lead a lot, is those over controlling commanders that send you Att and Move commands every 2 seconds.

If you're not marking INF or movement on the map, why are you even commander? If your logistics aren't up or you don't want to use mortars on INF, why don't you just tell the squads? Explain your situation and plan. As commander, you NEED TO COMMUNICATE. Failing to do so, will only make people angry.

Sometimes its better to NOT have a commander than having one, because there is a logistics bar to load up.

Now that you know, go be a better commander.

P.S. Invest in a mic, its not that much. Less than 20 dollars.

[Rudd]

As commander, you NEED TO COMMUNICATE. Failing to do so, will only make people angry.

"squad 1, this is command, come in, over"

"*silence*"

"squad 2, this is command, come in over"

*timbleweed passes the command post*

"squad 3...."

etc

then eventually

5 squads will shout at once

Sq 1 "I WANT JDAM"
Sq 2 "I WANT JDAM"
Sq 3 "I WANT JDAM"
Sq 4 "I WANT JDAM"
Sq 5 "I WANT JDAM"

After playing a few hours as commander, I can't be bothered anymore unless I am on the iGi server, with iGi squad leaders. (but then we pwn the other team too hard and the server depopulates)

approximately 1/5 rounds of being commander are fun and productive.

if the commander or the SL is guilty of not working together, it wil mostly be the SLs fault.

Sounds to me that Danny did fine, and that a SL went nuts on him with no provocation.

[jbgeezer]

simple,becaus its boring to command

[CanuckCommander]

"squad 1, this is command, come in, over"

"*silence*"

"squad 2, this is command, come in over"

*timbleweed passes the command post*

"squad 3...."

etc

then eventually

5 squads will shout at once

Sq 1 "I WANT JDAM"
Sq 2 "I WANT JDAM"
Sq 3 "I WANT JDAM"
Sq 4 "I WANT JDAM"
Sq 5 "I WANT JDAM"

After playing a few hours as commander, I can't be bothered anymore unless I am on the iGi server, with iGi squad leaders. (but then we pwn the other team too hard and the server depopulates)

approximately 1/5 rounds of being commander are fun and productive.

Every leader needs charisma. If your voice is sqeaky as a 9 year old (no offense to 9 year olds here if there are any), then people may not take you seriously, not saying that is what YOU sound like. You know what I mean.

If squad 1 doesn't listen, then there is always another that will. If not, you're playing in the wrong server, go find another one that accepts teamwork.

First start off, explaining your plan. SL usually do not like having you tell them exactly what to do. They rather not listen to you.

Instead of saying "Squad 1, you need to attack here!"

Say "Squad 1 you need to stay here and defend, because squad 3 is moving out to assault."

This is your role as commander because there are no directly COMS between Squad 1 and 3 leaders. And the teamchat is tricky.

I can stay here all day explaining how to do everything, or you go try this method and see how it works out. As commander you ARE NOT the boss, in fact, you play somewhere between a leader and a support role.

[Rudd]

"squad 1, this is command, come in, over"

"*silence*"

"squad 2, this is command, come in over"

*timbleweed passes the command post*

"squad 3...."

etc

If you can't even get to the point where you can talk to the SL without fear of interrupting his coms, or finding out if he even understands english or whatever language there is simply NO REASON to remain as commander.

And in the last 5 rounds I've commanded, thats exactly what happened.

In fact only two squads responded to me - an iGi squad led my Super_Timo and a transport squad lead by Sgt Joker

and guess what? that was during stress testing, all the people there were in well known clans or were Devs/mods etc.

Its just not worth the effort.

[CanuckCommander]

If you can't even get to the point where you can talk to the SL without fear of interrupting his coms, or finding out if he even understands english or whatever language there is simply NO REASON to remain as commander.

And in the last 5 rounds I've commanded, thats exactly what happened.

In fact only two squads responded to me - an iGi squad led my Super_Timo and a transport squad lead by Sgt Joker

and guess what? that was during stress testing, all the people there were in well known clans or were Devs/mods etc.

Its just not worth the effort.

This thread isn't about if its worth it or not. Its about how the team responds to a commander and how a commander should lead.

Worth it or not, it your own opinion, no one is forcing you to be commander, neither does the team need one.

[Rudd]

exactly, people either get pissy at a commander or don't repspond...which is what I was saying.

No1 forces me to be commander, but as you ahve mentioned there is no SL-SL VOIP, therefore the commander position can theoretically result in a team becoming more efficient and win more easily. So from that perspective, a team can't be without one- ignoring the commander abilities.

[CanuckCommander]

exactly, people either get pissy at a commander or don't repspond...which is what I was saying.

No1 forces me to be commander, but as you ahve mentioned there is no SL-SL VOIP, therefore the commander position can theoretically result in a team becoming more efficient and win more easily. So from that perspective, a team can't be without one- ignoring the commander abilities.

According to DEVs, commander is not necessary. They designed it this way by allowing SL to place FOBs without a CO. CO only makes things more efficient, if CO is competent.

Can't blame the squads for everything. CO needs to be competent first.

[Anderson29]

well i was playing basra when this chap(OP aka-Danny) decided to command. and he was horrible....took for ever to accept build orders, i would call in an apc position and it would get the infantry marker on the map, call in "hey commander...tell squad 3 they got an apc inbound to their location....." no reply..."commander you got a mic?......" no reply "commander can you hear me?..." no reply. all i see is text saying he's not gona fire mortars on infantry....well if the apc doesnt sit still, mite as well use it on a enemy rally or firebase like we tried...to no success cuz we have to type and all that...and it was just a hassle and would of been better off without a mic-less noob commanding and thus the kick for not resigning would be my guess....i commanded for 3 rounds today...nobody seemed mad at me and i think i even improved team coordination between squads...coordinated rides and suggested tactics to certain squads...provided valuable intel and gave great support. what more could you want out of a commander.

[Cassius]

i was commanding first an insurgent team on al basrah, they didn't really liked me, maybe its because i didn't accepted mortars (they wanted to use mortars on infantry etc..) and also problem with logistics (they want to build hideouts and i can't accept much build orders at once, logistic bar take time to reload)
and then i was commanding US team on insurgency, squads didn't have problem except one squad

and then i got kicked by admin the reason say that i make people mad but i don't think that i made people made except one squad leader

but what so bad with commander? atleast i was commanding and in most servers
there is no commander.

maybe its because i don't have a mic, but i don't really need a mic, i don't need to give info so fast like reporting infantry units etc(thats job for squads and not the whole team gotta know about it)
and if they want to report about an cache its better to be on chat cause i don't always understand on the voip or hear

You need to find a good server, where teamplay is valued and what the mod is about, not where people bored with vbf2 play a mod they hear is supposed to be good.

Not everybody who plays the mod really embraces what it is about, which is kind of silly, because you negate yourself of the strong points of the mod, while enduring its weaknesses.

[bondsan]

Might as well go the whole hog and make it so you don't need a commander for area attacks

Nooooooo then you will get tards who place it any where except where it's needed.

comanders are good for relaying messages and imo yes the mic is important cos when in a fire fight i don't always get time or chance to read where as i can always listen.
as for the over zealos admin who kicked you ?? maybe he spent too much time bunny hoping on karkand to know what team work really is !