Moveable mounted Machinegun/Tow

Malik · Post by **Malik** » 2006-05-09 18:11

The static emplacements are the support guns. The ones on the tops of jeeps and tanks are the .50s, and they're the ones that would need counter measures to prevent total annihiltion. Another concern I have is the amount of Humvees flying around without guns there'd be. If you can pop the gun off, why would you not just take it in the first place? Jeeps would be derelict, well right up until every hops in and hits F2 then runs to the nearest roof, sets up and opens fire, gets shot and the show continues. Eventually, the team with the set up HMG support will win the battle in that area because unlike with the humvee, HMGs just pop down on the floor when they get hit by AT rockets, seeing as unlike with vehicles they're not attached to a huge destroyable model. Players will line up to shoot all the targets and it'd be a white wash, as if the current methods for using HMGs aren't enough.

Solitas · Post by **Solitas** » 2006-05-09 18:19

We've moved on from the .50's Malik, it's in the past now

Moveable .50's is a bad idea, the guns would not only be heavier but so would the ammo needs. You'd be carrying the ugn and it's ammo along with your regular kit.
So only allow LMG's to be picked up and re-deployed, of course if you did pick one up expect your movement rate to be much slower.

Malik · Post by **Malik** » 2006-05-09 18:29

The only LMGs in the game are the SAW, the AKM and the Chinese one... Why would they be picked up when the support class has them already?

Solitas · Post by **Solitas** » 2006-05-09 18:51

Malik wrote:The only LMGs in the game are the SAW, the AKM and the Chinese one... Why would they be picked up when the support class has them already?

Because there are static ones. They're usually inside bunkers or on low walls. Like in the watchtowers and in the pit on SA2.

.50 are only on vehicles (except the boats which use a LMG also in PR), the mounted ones are just LMG's with constant accuracy.

Edit: I mean in terms of moving the static emplacements around, yes support players already have an LMG but if they could deploy them no-one else could use them.
I'm saying repositioning the deployed LMG's, if you move it you weaken one position but strenghten another.

Shitman · Post by **Shitman** » 2006-05-09 19:20

Here some examples for weapons:

Such weapons mounted on a gun pod (Lafette in german) was my suggest.

Solitas · Post by **Solitas** » 2006-05-09 19:29

They seem to need to be carried by 2 troops, so you'd have to find someone else in-game ot help you move it.
At least with the moveable LMG's you could do it yourself and still use your weapons, as for the rockets, well they might be slightly overpowered too.

That aside it is a nice idea, I just think weapons that can be deployed that are larger than the LMG's would prove a little too overpowered.

G.Drew · Post by **G.Drew** » 2006-05-09 19:32

Shitman wrote:Here some examples for weapons:

Such weapons mounted on a gun pod (Lafette in german) was my suggest.

probably could name 4/5 of they pics
MG42
Browning
dunno
Milan AT system
and of course, the bumble-bee

eddie · Post by **eddie** » 2006-05-09 19:55

The 3rd one should (I think) be the Mk.2 40mm gren. launcher.
Ask Dev Eddie, I'm useless with weapons.

Cerberus · Post by **Cerberus** » 2006-05-09 20:14

First one is an MG3, I think.

Malik · Post by **Malik** » 2006-05-09 20:17

What I meant is that the fixed ingame emplacements are the support weapons, they just look different from their viewing angles.

Zantetsuken · Post by **Zantetsuken** » 2006-05-09 23:02

mg3, m2hb, mk19, the 4th looks more like long range scopes than anything, but I would guess following the trend of becomeing more powerfull, the next up would be the OCSW, right? and the 5 the img src is broken, so I dunno, an MLRS maybe?

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2006-05-09 23:23

eddie wrote:The 3rd one should (I think) be the Mk.2 40mm gren. launcher.
Ask Dev Eddie, I'm useless with weapons.

The third one is a Mk-19 40mm automatic grenade launcher. Not sure if the UK uses the same designation or not.

Heavy machineguns like the M2 are barely manportable, which is why they are usually mounted on vehicles or in fixed positions. They weigh so much that generally one man in a crew has to carry each major component of the weapon; receiver and barrel (84 lbs), tripod (44 lbs), spare barrels (24 lbs each) and ammunition cans (around 35 lbs for a 100 round belt) when dismounted.

The M220 TOW launcher weighs over 200 pounds on its own, not including the missiles, which weigh around 50 lbs each. There's no way we are going to place it in a kit as a deployable weapon. There are medium ATGMs of the SACLOS type that could be, however, such as the Milan (second-to-last photograph).

six7 · Post by **six7** » 2006-05-10 00:28

2 ideas concerning the topic:

1. Allow the current LMGs to have the bipod deployed while prone or crouched near a low support (sandbags, window sill, etc.)

2. Add a pick-up kit that could contain a m-240/PKM in order to improve firepower. There could be one per map spawning at the main base on a 32 player map and 2 on a 64 player map. They could only be fired while aiming down the sight and stationary to prevent overpowering. The bipod could also be deployed to aid in accuracy.

Gaz · Post by **Gaz** » 2006-05-10 00:28

'[R-DEV wrote:Eddie Baker']The third one is a Mk-19 40mm automatic grenade launcher. Not sure if the UK uses the same designation or not.

The British designation for the Mk 19 is
"Mk.1 WTF IS THAT???"

We don't have them

UKSF may have them in their armoury, but it isn't a regular issue weapon and I have never seen the SF guys utilise them.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2006-05-10 00:40

'[R-DEV wrote:Gaz']The British designation for the Mk 19 is
"Mk.1 WTF IS THAT???"

We don't have them UKSF may have them in their armoury, but it isn't a regular issue weapon and I have never seen the SF guys utilise them.

LOL

There was a photo of a presumed SAS "pinkie" with a Mk-19 on it. Let me see if I can find it.

Zepheris Casull · Post by **Zepheris Casull** » 2006-05-10 00:42

just a little suggestion here, if something is heavy but can possibly be moved by one person, then we should be able to redeploy it elsewhere. If it is relatively very heavy and requires 2 person then i suggest splitting the device into 2 and only allow it to work when they are deployed next to each other. Obviously i am not sure wether this is possible with the game engine, my thought went along something like the first part is the gun itself, and the ammo comes as the second part, so either is useless without the other. (I know they are often not split this way in a redeployment but this one seems easier to implement in the game).

So, if someone wish to redeploy it first person carries the gun itself and for balancing he should be slowed down the most due to the weight perhaps, and the ammo needs another person to carry although the same person could run back and forth to get both of it if he really wish to.

That is IF of course PR ever had a thought of making them moveable, else just scratch that.

Post by **RikiRude** » 2006-05-10 05:08

im happy just with LMGs being able to be bipodded with limited angle for good accuracy.

if possible zephs idea for the 2 people deployment would be awsome.

Viper5 · Post by **Viper5** » 2006-05-30 23:46

Malik wrote:The current emplacements are enough in most maps at the moment anyway. Personally I find these MGs no fun, it destroys the point in tactics, just sit back, zoom in and take fire. You can't really miss with te 0.50s, and at least having them strapped to the top of hummers means the hummer is limited from going to some locations. Letting them go anywhere would be chaos, we'd have MG gunners sitting on roofs with their 100% accurate super MGs. Do you really think PR needs that?

Actually IRL all mounted weapons on the HMMVWs are detachable, as was exhibited in Cpt. Nathaniel Fick's One Bullet Away: The Making of a Marine Officer when his Force Recon Platoon guarded a bridge and dismounted a Mk40 Automatic Grenade Launcher and an M2 .50 Cal and held the bridge

On another note if possible would be cool if HMMVWs were randomized IE sometimes ambulance, sometimes SAW, sometimes M60E4, sometimes TOW, sometimes Supply, sometimes M2

BlitzQuick · Post by **BlitzQuick** » 2006-05-31 00:37

i think the support weapon should be like day of defeat idk if u guys heard of that game but its a game off Counterstrike from steam...but they got a nice mounting system and balance with there support weapons

Deuce6 · Post by **Deuce6** » 2006-05-31 00:42

Viper5 wrote:Actually IRL all mounted weapons on the HMMVWs are detachable, as was exhibited in Cpt. Nathaniel Fick's One Bullet Away: The Making of a Marine Officer when his Force Recon Platoon guarded a bridge and dismounted a Mk40 Automatic Grenade Launcher and an M2 .50 Cal and held the bridge

On another note if possible would be cool if HMMVWs were randomized IE sometimes ambulance, sometimes SAW, sometimes M60E4, sometimes TOW, sometimes Supply, sometimes M2

He's right about the Mark 19 and the M2. You can deploy them on tripods. But that's about as far as it goes. It's not something you'd want to carry around with you all day on a regular patrol.

It would be nice if you could dismount the weapons to hold a key position though.

Moveable mounted Machinegun/Tow

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