Grenades and tanks.

bfn42 · Post by **bfn42** » 2006-05-07 04:37

Hmmm....I get kinda tired of little grenades doing damage to my tank...in bf2...I was wondering whatyou guys think if grenades were to only to damage against infantry, transport/support vehicles(vodnik, humvees, dpv etc....) and like statics such as implacment TOWS and Stingers.

Eglaerinion · Post by **Eglaerinion** » 2006-05-07 08:17

bfn42 wrote:Hmmm....I get kinda tired of little grenades doing damage to my tank...in bf2...I was wondering whatyou guys think if grenades were to only to damage against infantry, transport/support vehicles(vodnik, humvees, dpv etc....) and like statics such as implacment TOWS and Stingers.

With my limited military knowledge I doubt grenades would damage armored transports much. But correct me if wrong. But yeah grenades and to an extent C4 should not damage tanks.

Malik · Post by **Malik** » 2006-05-07 08:29

No, I'm pretty sure C4 should be able to do that damage to tanks. Grenades produce small explosions creating blasts of shrapnel, C4 is a high powered exothermic chemical reaction that produces a very heated up explosion.

Top_Cat_AxJnAt · Post by **Top_Cat_AxJnAt** » 2006-05-07 08:33

"I get kinda tired of little grenades doing damage to my tank" - grenades dont damage tanks!

I depends how much C4 and where really. But, even so any ammout would weaken the armour by removing a certain layer, posssibly rendering its composite armour almsot useless?!?!

Malik · Post by **Malik** » 2006-05-07 08:48

C4 in the quantity of the current C4 packs would definitely render most armour useless. It wouldn't strip a layer off, it'd blow a hole straight through it.

Currently, grenades do damage tanks, but the effect is mostly unnoticeable, especially with the HUD gone, but a bombardment of them can do some serious damage to a tank, especially if it's been knocked about a bit first. Really, grenades should do little to no damage to one at all, unless the blast was at point blank range, but even so there's not enough heat in a frag grenade for it to do anything incredible. Grenades should cause the same damage as bullets.

Eglaerinion · Post by **Eglaerinion** » 2006-05-07 09:06

You sure? Explosions force their power outwards, the easiest way would be away from the tank (path of least resistance). Without some sort of shaped charge I doubt it would blow a hole in a tank. Damage some parts yes, blow of a track when placed on one most definately but a hole I seriously doubt it.

weidel · Post by **weidel** » 2006-05-07 17:26

Eglaerinion wrote:You sure? Explosions force their power outwards, the easiest way would be away from the tank (path of least resistance). Without some sort of shaped charge I doubt it would blow a hole in a tank. Damage some parts yes, blow of a track when placed on one most definately but a hole I seriously doubt it.

I agree, without a shaped charge or an emplacement in/on a weak spot, the C4 would hardly do any damage at all. Of course, if you place it below the turret or on the tracks, it might do great damage, but that is just a question about proper hitboxes

Grenades would most likely have trouble doing damage even to the tracks. So I think MBT armour should stop grenades entirely, no matter how many of them that is thrown on the tank, unless somebody could make it so we could drop a grenade into the tank.

Malik · Post by **Malik** » 2006-05-07 18:57

Or push a load down the barrel.

Zepheris Casull · Post by **Zepheris Casull** » 2006-05-08 05:47

grenades are about as meaningfull to a tank as a fly to a cow, annoying but not dangerous. A C4 planted on the tank though would imply that the person ran straight to it and implant the thing, which should mean that he must have at least plant it somewhere where it should damage it's part.

(i don't find the idea of C4 being thrown sticking automatically as amusing though)

Post by **RikiRude** » 2006-05-08 11:23

weidel wrote:I agree, without a shaped charge or an emplacement in/on a weak spot, the C4 would hardly do any damage at all. Of course, if you place it below the turret or on the tracks, it might do great damage, but that is just a question about proper hitboxes

Grenades would most likely have trouble doing damage even to the tracks. So I think MBT armour should stop grenades entirely, no matter how many of them that is thrown on the tank, unless somebody could make it so we could drop a grenade into the tank.

fully agreed, im sure if PR could figure out how to make the hit boxes that specific they would do it when they got the chance. the brave soul who got the fun job of running up behind the tank and planting C-4 on the tracks!

Solitas · Post by **Solitas** » 2006-05-08 12:31

'[R-CON wrote:Riki_Rude_BTYC']the brave soul who got the fun job of running up behind the tank and planting C-4 on the tracks!

Commander: All right soldeir your job is run behind that tank and plant some C4 on it. Go!
Spec Ops: ummm isn't that like...kinda dangerous?
Commander: Don't be silly I'll be no where near the tank, now off ya go.

Anyway C4 isn't very effective against tanks in PR, most it will do is damage.

Campez · Post by **Campez** » 2006-05-08 13:23

LOL freakin funny solitas

Rifleman · Post by **Rifleman** » 2006-05-08 13:48

There are nades that can destroy tank..i've seen on discovery new kind of nade that can pierce armor ;>
Thou it is in testing phase... it has something with stron, piercing core, high temperature and so on...
But i doubt that we can find something like this in BF2/PRMM...

Lev_Astov · Post by **Lev_Astov** » 2006-05-08 14:21

I didn't notice any of you pointing out that both the Abrams and T-90 are in fact covered in C4 to protect them from AT weapons. It would therefore stand to reason that the most C4 planted by spec ops would do is set off a section of that reactive armor. Sure, if the guy had found the right spot and carefully planted it, he could disable the tank, but the PR devs said they haven't figured out how to disable tanks without destroying them yet. In the spirit of realism, I think it's best we keep it the way it is so that infantry doesn't find it best to run towards tanks. At least until they make it so the treads or engine can be disabled.

Top_Cat_AxJnAt · Post by **Top_Cat_AxJnAt** » 2006-05-08 14:31

Remeber C4 is set of by an electrical charge AND the reative armour on tanks is extremely hard to set off. It would be useless otherwise,and any way they explode outwards, therefore, in theory setting them off would do alot alot less damage than placing a normal C4 charge on a vehicle a setting that off.

Malik · Post by **Malik** » 2006-05-08 16:52

C4 can be detonated by heat, but it requires pressure as well. Soldiers used to use C4 to cook their rations, setting the C4 on fire and letting it burn, and rumour has it some silly fools decided to stomp out their fires when they were finished. You can imagine what this combination of heat and pressure did...

Boom.

Lucractius · Post by **Lucractius** » 2006-05-10 10:47

you wouldnt be thinking of thermite grenades would you?

since id love it if you gave one of those out... standard thermite grenade will melt strait through a car engine block, but theyre slow burning, so you sort of need to lob it "ontop" of the tank or its useless.

Zepheris Casull · Post by **Zepheris Casull** » 2006-05-10 11:31

i have doubt as to wether a thermite grenade can actually damage an MBT that way. I mean they will burn hardwares but an MBT armour? I somehow doubt it. As hot as thermite is, HEAT warheads produces molten metal jet and in some cases it resembles plasma jet. If the standard armour can somewhat resist it then i doubt a thermite will do as well. (by this i do not refer to just the anti HEAT armour but also the rest of the composite armour) They will probably burn the optics and sensor port beyond repair though.

Lucractius · Post by **Lucractius** » 2006-05-10 14:48

the thing about thermite is that its basicaly what insipred the HEAT warheads

its a thick mixture (usualy) of metal and an oxidising agent (not spilling the beans since i dont want anyone blaming me for amature thermite antics) and when ignited it melts the grenade case, and forms a blob of burning white hot molten metal that eats its way down under the influence of gravity, and will easily melt strait through a car engine... and be burning on the ground... this is going to hurt a MBT a lot if it lands in a good spot. getting it up onto the engine area is an excelent way to eliminate the tank, (thermite grenades usualy get a little "fiddling" to make them more likely to "hit where you want", think duct tape, little graple bits, magnets, etc, so the can hook to vents and the like, all unnoficialy of course

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Malik · Post by **Malik** » 2006-05-10 16:44

Well thinking of Brainiac, a plant pot full of thermite can burn through almost anything, including titanium, a car, liquid nitrogen etc.