[Mini-mod Proposal] Late Cold War+Desert Storm

[chuckduck]

Taking quite a bit of my inspration from World in Conflict, the RTS game. I would like to prepose a minimod/community faction for a Late Cold war and Desert Storm minimod.

Yes i know PR is supposed to be set in the present day/near future. But by adding this minimod to PR it could add some unique gameplay dynamics to PR and add some variety to the areas battles take place and ways the battles in PR are fought. There would be maps set in America, as the Soviets invade the U S and A and Battles in the first Gulf war (Desert Storm)

I belive ths minimod could be made quite easisly as most of the vehicles needed are already in PR, and would be just fine with a reskin. Although some other vehicles may need to be used from other mods from Black Sand Studios. Like US Intervention, Operation Peacekeeper and Eve of Destruction.

Design Plan 1.Google Spreadsheet Link


Factions:

US:
The US faction will need some new vehicles, and some reskinning, other wise most of the vehicles are readily avalible from other BSS mods. (EoD+USi) There are US infantry reskins being made by Rambo Hunter.
US 1985 Re-Skins thx Charlie for the link.
USSR
The Soviet faction will use BSS large selection of Russian armoured vehicles, reskins will be needed for most of them. There are also Soviet reskins being made Rambo Hunter, just scroll down the same page.
IRAQ
A pretty straight forward faction, nearly all of the vehicles from the US intervention mod. Not much work needs to be done here.
NATO(German Army+Other NATO Vehicles)
Something a bit different, a NATO faction, it consists mainly of British and German vehicles reskinned/remodeled the vehicles wil probably be from the GB faction and various community factions or Operation Peacekeeper mod, while the nationality of the infantry hasnt been decided yet, the inf will probably be French. This probably wont be done since its unrealistic to put all these forces together into one simple unit. Its basically a German faction with aded NATO vehicles.

These are my ideas for the vehicles in each faction (Yes i know its based heavily off WiC)

Main Battle Tank:
US
*M1A1 Abrams
Maybe Reskinned. Or the M1 model from USi.
USSR
*T80/T72
T80 is being made (search forums) T72 is done USi, that might need reskin.
IRAQ
*T72
T72 is already in PR i belive, but it might need the same skins as the USi version.
NATO
*Leopard 2A4
Operation Peacekeeper's Leopard 2A5, but re-modeled+reskinned to A4.

Medium Tank:
US
*M60A3 Patton
EoD has a M60A1, this will have to be reskinned and remodeled.
USSR
*T62
Already in PR, might need a reskin, and maybe maybe a remodel.
IRAQ
*T62
Already in PR, USi skins may be needed.
NATO
*ANY IDEAS?*
Maybe British Chieftain mk5, but it isnt already made. Maybe a medium tank from a upcoming community mod.

Light Tank:
US
*M551A1 Sheridan
EoD/USi model, maybe reskin
USSR
*PT76 + AT4 Spigot
EoD model, reskin, addition of the AT4 Mounted AT missile.
IRAQ
*BMP3 (The mutha of all tanks in PR ) or BMD1
Already in PR, reskin might be needed.
NATO
*ANY IDEAS?*
Maybe a FV101 Scorpion, it hasnt been made tho. Maybe a light NATO tank from a upcoming community mod.

IFV:
US
*M2A2 Bradley
Already in PR, maybe a reskin.
USSR
*BMP2 Would be nice, but since it isnt we use the BMD2
USi, need reskinning
IRAQ
*BMD1 or BMD2, i think BMD2 since it has a auto-cannon like the other IFVs and a AT missile.
USi, its fine how it is!
NATO
*British Warrior or German Marder 1A5
The Warroir would need a reskin, the Marder would be fine or could do with a reskin. Player choice, which NATO IFV do u prefer?

Amphibious APC:
US
*LAV25
Already in PR, maybe a reskin to make it look more 1985ish.
USSR
*BTR80
Being made for the Russian faction. Will need reskin tho.
IRAQ
*BMD1 or BMD2
USi its fine as it is.
NATO
*Luchs2A2
Op P.K. its already made. Might need reskin to look more like 1985 version.

Jeeps:
US
*HMMWV M2/TOW/Support
In PR already, maybe we could use the version from USi, without the bullet shield.
USSR
*UAZ469 Dshk/Some Soviet AT stystem?/Support
USi, reskin needed, maybe a remodel to add more protection, by adding a roof. (USi model doesnt have a roof, its a military convertible )
IRAQ
*UAZ469 Dshk/Milan/Support
USi has them all good to go, might need a remodel to put roof on the MG and AT versions.
NATO
*Land rover? Or another European jeep realeased in a community faction.
What do u think about this? Any suggestions?

Trucks:
US
*M35
Already done, in PR.
USSR
*Ural 4320
Already done, in PR. Might need Soviet reskin.
IRAQ
*Ural 4320
Already done, in PR. Desert version is the same as USi i think.
NATO
*M35 for now, or other
Maybe a community faction will have a suitible truck soon. reskin

Anti Air Artillery:
US
*M163 VADS, Vulcan Minigun.
USi, needs woodland reskin.
USSR
*ZSU-23-4 Shilka
USi, needs woodland reskin.
IRAQ
*ZSU-23-4 Shilka
USi, good 2 go.
NATO
*Gepard 1(A1 or A2)
Op PK, might need reskin.

Anti Air Missile Platforms:
US
*HMMWV Avenger
PR, may need reskin.
USSR
*BRDM with SA missles
Already in PR, might need reskin.
IRAQ
*BRDM with SA missles
PR, done
NATO
*German AA vehicle, not Ozelot (Not around in 1985) Maybe GB Stormer AA?
Op PK/German Forces faction.

Mortar Carriage:
US
*M125 MCV (81mm Mortar, in back of a M113 APC)
USi, woodland reskin i think
USSR
*2S1 Gvozdika (More like arty, it will be limited more than the mortars)
USi, woodland reskin
IRAQ
*2S1 Gvozdika ("")
USi
NATO
*Not sure...
Something German i think

Light Heli:
US
*OH-6A Cayuse/MH-6 Little Bird (+Miniguns and/or rockets)
PR, reskin (Might use EoD maybe need a 1985 reskin.)
USSR
*Nothing that is already made? (Ka-25 Hormone would be ideal)
Maybe the RU faction could offer, a solution?
IRAQ
*Gazelle versions (MG, AT, FFAR)
USi
NATO
*BO105-P or Gazelle
Op PK reskin (Unlikley Gazelle, but it would be a USi reskin.)

Trasport Heli:
US
*UH60 BlackHawk
PR/vBF2, reskin.
USSR
*Mi-8 Hip
PR/vBF2 reskin.
IRAQ
*Mi-8 Hip
vBF2, using USi mod skin.
NATO
*German NH90 or French Puma.
PR German Forces faction? (reskin?)

Medium Attack Chopper:
US
*AH-1(W-Older model from the Z or T-US Army Version of the Cobra square canopy)
USi mod, might need a reskin for the woodland.
USSR
*Mi-28 Havoc
PR/vBF2, reskinned to meet the 1985 paint job.
IRAQ
*Gazelle (MG/AT/FFAR)
USi
NATO
*French Gazelle (MG/AT/FFAR) or German Medium Attack Heli (BO105-P?)
Gazelle from USi, reskin or German BO105-P (again)

Heavy Attack Choppers:
US
*AH64A Apache
PR although it think in isnt a AH64A, the USi would be more convenient.
USSR
*Mi-25V HIND
One is being made in the PR RU faction, could use that or USi version.
IRAQ
*Mi-25 HIND
Reskin the PR RU model, or use the USi version
NATO
*A129 Mangusta (Italy), use the BF2 Z10, it isnt actually a Z10 but a Mangusta.
Reskin needed to make the Chinsese Z10 intoa Mangusta.
Yes i know the Mangusta isnt German, so should be in this faction but you could say the Italians made a fine attack chopper and are supporting the NATO (Ger) ground forces with it.
Heres a topic, someone made the model for a A129


List to be updated...


I am happy to map for this minimod during the summer. I will also organise the thing, im just wandering if anyone is intrested in contributing.

Let me know what u think the NATO Vehicles should be as some of them i couldnt think of a practical vehicle that we didnt have to make from scratch.

Also i am probably not here mid week so post as much as u like and discuss but i wont be here, unless i get some time to post here.

We need to try and get a team together to make this minimod...skinners most importatly, modelers, scripters (or whoever makes the actual vehicle work in game), and maybe mappers, right now we got 1 plus my self so thats like 1.5 mappers since im still learning to map.

[torenico]

Well.. good luck.

There are some Cold war era skins somewhere..

[charliegrs]

cold war skins right here https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f66-pr ... s-wip.html

and i fully support this proposal.

but wouldnt it make more sense to re-skin the t72? for one, its already made, and also im sure in the 80s the soviets had far more t72s than the new t80s

[charliegrs]

maybe you should stick to just one theatre at first, like the russia vs nato theatre. it will make it easier to get a working version out the door sooner. i think your aiming a bit high with a cold war + gulf war mod, not saying it shouldnt be done, but maybe at first just narrow it down to one theatre. plus, i think the euro cold war theatre will be a much more unique than anything else PR has right now, gulf war may seem a bit too much like any US vs MEC map you know what i mean?

[chuckduck]

maybe you should stick to just one theatre at first, like the russia vs nato theatre. it will make it easier to get a working version out the door sooner. i think your aiming a bit high with a cold war + gulf war mod, not saying it shouldnt be done, but maybe at first just narrow it down to one theatre. plus, i think the euro cold war theatre will be a much more unique than anything else PR has right now, gulf war may seem a bit too much like any US vs MEC map you know what i mean?

thanks for the wake up call, yeah i am aiming a little bit high right now, i dont even have anyone working on this project yet, although i can do about 50% of the mapping. Im just brainstoming tho, the NATO vs USSR theatre will be most likeley done first.

[DankE_SPB]

i suggest you to completely remove medium and all light tanks- i see no purpose for them, BMDs- because they are issued to airborne and only BMD-1 had been exported, BMP-3- it was introduced in 1990 and you suggest to give it to Iraq, not even USSR

[chuckduck]

i suggest you to completely remove medium and all light tanks- i see no purpose for them, BMDs- because they are issued to airborne and only BMD-1 had been exported, BMP-3- it was introduced in 1990 and you suggest to give it to Iraq, not even USSR

I would like to see Medium and light tanks in this minimod to incorporate some advantages and disadvatages of the heavy medium and light tanks. Since this minimod will have large scale tank battles more thank normal PR.
*The heavy tanks will be used for long range engagements since they are slower than medium and light tanks, but can take out vehicles extremley well.

*Medium tanks will be a comprimise between speed, anti tank firepower and anti infantry firepower. If its possible they could have white phosphorus shells instead of HEAT shells. Which are not suited to taking out buildings but extremley well suited to killing infantry, in the open or in cover.

*Light tanks will pack a average gun, but will be fast moving and good for attacking IFVs, APC and other light vehicles. They will also pack a AT system, like a AT missile to attack heavier tanks. Light tanks will primarity be used to kill light vehicles, but when attack enemy armour heavier than itself they will use thier speed to attack the enemy from the side. Light tanks are not entirely useless.

Now

I think BMD can be used because the Soviet army is obviously going to use their airborne forces in an invasion of America, if you can think of a more suitable IFV please tell me.
The BMP3 can be used by the Iraqis because the 1st gulf war was in 1991, and Iraq by then was always getting donations of arms from other countries.
The Iraqis wil use the BMD1 then since it was the only one exported.

Now im not trying to start a argument but this is what i think.
If you can think of a more suitable structure to the armoured vehicles, please be my guest DankE.

[torenico]

Well, if this goes somewhere.. i could help whit some Mapping..

G luck again

[charliegrs]

i support the idea of light medium and heavy tanks. it would be kind of silly to ignore tanks that we had in the US arsenal in the 80s such as sheridan, the m60 patton, and the {new at the time} abrams. we had the tanks, we would have used all of them in the event of the cold war going hot. also, there are models of the sheridan and {i think} the m60 in the usi mod. a good reskin into woodland would be all they need. and the soviets, well they had tons of different tanks. something like a t55 or a t62 could serve as a light tank, a t72 maybe a medium? and t80 as heavy tank. or maybe a pt-76 as a light tank, even though its an apc it doesnt have to be totally mirror balanced for each side.

also i know you said you could make maps for a russian invasion of US, but what about a euro theatre?

[chuckduck]

Well, if this goes somewhere.. i could help whit some Mapping..

G luck again

Thanks, that makes 2 mappers including my self. We still need to recuit a few skinners and modeler(s), maybe one of the R-Devs can help us with the scripting, lots of good skinners modelers and scripters are tied down with community factions tho .
Plus we have to ask EoD and USi if we can use their vehicles, hope fully they say yes, since they are BSS.

[quote=""'[R-CON"]162eRI;990324']I love the idea too. For now just reskinning, but if someone can set up such Minimod, I would definitively like to see the DDR (German Democratic Republic) ingame!!! Don't know why, call me crazy, but I like this army LOL

Anyway, lot of BSS Mods get Russian tanks. It would be good to see what they have.

Nonetheless, It gonna be pretty hard to make this minimod, I wish good luck for that [/quote]


Also with that idea relating to the German Democratic Repbulic, isnt that known as East Germany?
I dont know how we could incorperate them, because having them as a sperate faction may not be high on our list of priorities, sorry, but we could try and find a way to include your favorate piece of thier equipment on the European maps. Just say that the East Germans are backing up the Soviets on thier attack in west Germany, by lending some East German tanks.

[quote="charliegrs""]i support the idea of light medium and heavy tanks. the soviets, well they had tons of different tanks. something like a t55 or a t62 could serve as a light tank, a t72 maybe a medium? and t80 as heavy tank. or maybe a pt-76 as a light tank, even though its an apc it doesnt have to be totally mirror balanced for each side.

also i know you said you could make maps for a russian invasion of US, but what about a euro theatre?[/quote]

Thanks for supporting my Heavy, Medium and light tank idea. :d
I highlighted in green the bits in ur post that i agre with you on.
I think the USSR light tank should be the PT-76 since it is around the sam esize as the Sheridan and packs a AT missile.
Putting a T55 or T62 would be slightly unfair as they have more powerful guns and i would classifly them as medium tanks and could be used aswell as the t72 for a medium tank.

BTW:Let me know what u think the NATO Vehicles should be as some of them i couldnt think of a practical vehicle that we didnt have to make from scratch.

Also i am probably not here mid week so post as much as u like and discuss but i wont be here, unless i get some time to post here.

We need to try and get a team together to make this minimod...skinners most importatly, modelers, scripters (or whoever makes the actual vehicle work in game), and maybe mappers, right now we got 1 plus my self so thats like 1.5 mappers since im still learning to map.

[HughJass]

Well one of my ideas is out.

one thing: please no NATO faction.

Good luck.

[chuckduck]

Well one of my ideas is out.

one thing: please no NATO faction.

Good luck.

First Part....Great minds think alike.

Second Part...Why not a NATO faction? What do u want a US vs Russia or US vs Iraq or something? What the matter with NATO, they helped make sure we all aren't speaking Russian right now.

Last Part...Thanks, but we still need people to make this minimod. Modelers, skinners and scripters. do u know anyone up to the task?

[Polka]

NATO fails, that is all.


Anyhow, proposal is approved and endorsed.

[chuckduck]

Why dont we have a poll, first things first....how do i create a poll?
Well i thought NATO would be quite a good idea, with them fighting in Europe and all and the US fighting in the US since the Soviets invaded the US home turf.

[charliegrs]

Why dont we have a poll, first things first....how do i create a poll?
Well i thought NATO would be quite a good idea, with them fighting in Europe and all and the US fighting in the US since the Soviets invaded the US home turf.

I could be wrong about this, but I dont believe NATO fights with multiple different nationalities fighting side by side. i think it works more like each country gets a certain territory and that is their responsibility but they do work together logisitically and with air support etc. which is why i think if you look at afghanistan now, NATO is operating there but I dont think you see for example, a squad with a brit and an american and a frenchman and a german all mishmashed together. thats more like how UN peacekeepers operate i think. again, i could be totally wrong about this, but i think if that was the case it would be pretty hard to operate with multiple languages being used. so i think a NATO faction wouldnt be very realistic. i mean you could say we already have a nato faction, on korengal, you have the US army which is under NATO command etc.

[chuckduck]

hmmm yeah i was thinking, a NATO faction like the one i thought of would be kinda weird, but in World in Conflict, (sorry im using WiC soo much, but its what inspired me alot)

You are able to lead a NATO Task Force that consists of British and German Tanks, French and Italian Helis, with French Infantry tagging along. Yeah it would be hell trying to talk to each other in all these laguages, espescally with all the British understatements.

But if there was an invasion of Europe sureley the NATO forces would forget about their allocated combat zones and all pull their weight where its needed the most, eg. Trying to Hold the Line between east and west Germany, or all coming together to attack Soviet postitions to try and gain back land that was lost.
The forces would only really mix together i think if things were getting desperate, or a really big attack was ordered.
I dunno i wasnt even born then....thats just my idea of it.

[supahpingi]

I could be wrong about this, but I dont believe NATO fights with multiple different nationalities fighting side by side. i think it works more like each country gets a certain territory and that is their responsibility but they do work together logisitically and with air support etc. which is why i think if you look at afghanistan now, NATO is operating there but I dont think you see for example, a squad with a brit and an american and a frenchman and a german all mishmashed together. thats more like how UN peacekeepers operate i think. again, i could be totally wrong about this, but i think if that was the case it would be pretty hard to operate with multiple languages being used. so i think a NATO faction wouldnt be very realistic. i mean you could say we already have a nato faction, on korengal, you have the US army which is under NATO command etc.

The UN also works with different country's in different zones,just like nato
just keep iraq and nato away from this,and have a russian invasion of the US,then it will all be fine

[Rhino]

In all honesty, I can not see this project being fully integrated into PR if crated, simply because it dosen't go into the theme of the rest of PR, but also because you are talking of have clones of current stuff etc that would conflict with the current PR etc...

The only way I could see this idea working is if it was crated as a minimod to be installed along side normal PR.

Also dont forget that maps take a huge amount of time to develop and considering your planning to try sourcing most of your stuff from BSS mods etc... I would also make a plan of models you need to make from scratch....

[Sights]

I think it's a good idea, certainly something I would be willing to play, so you have my support, but to be perfectly honest I agree with Rhino as to the fact that it should be downloaded separately. It wouldn't fit in as a part of the original (but then if that was your intention anyway, fantastic).

As to having a NATO faction, I can understand where you're coming from. Not only would it make things easier but it would significantly decrease file size, but then the reason just about everyone here hated Euro Forces was that it was ridiculously unrealistic to have a mishmash force from numerous different forces fighting on the one small battlefield. I would say to either go with your NATO force or just go with a West German force, since in the case of an invasion it would be through there. Vehicle choices should be made on that basis.

But whatever you choose, good luck!

Oh, by the way, WiC is an awesome game, if a little gamey at times. Have you read Red Storm Rising? Might be a good place to start if you want to get a better idea of what you're dealing with before you jump in.