Why the Insurgency hate?

[Thalin]

I personally really enjoy Insurgency. I find it has great team work (most of the time), and feels very realistic, particularly in maps like Fallujah West. Going around the city as a squad, using VOIP, clearing out the weapon caches I find very satisying. Hell, even being on the opposing team is fun, especially when you get a squad full of Civilians tormenting the US side. If it wasn't for the ridiculous wait when you die as a civilian I would play that role more often.

However, I find on a lot of servers I play on, when discussing the next map, all I ever see is 'Please not insurgency!' etc. I just wondered why this was.

[General_J0k3r]

ppl hate insurgency because someone has to play as insurgent. and as there are quite some idiots (sry) around who refuse to play this faction for one reason or the other a problem ensues...

[DesmoLocke]

I find that players that want to play Insurgency go to the CHICAGO Insurgency .85 =]H[= server. Insurgency seems to be very popular in .85 because at the time of this post the server was ranked 11th and full with 64 players.



I guess the people playing on a AAS map don't want to play Insurgency because they prefer the more balanced kit loadouts.

[OkitaMakoto]

People who hate insurgency dont get the point Im afraid. The point isnt to win[in my humble opinion] its to lose with as much style as possible.

Playing as insurgents should be made even harder as far as Im concerned. INS shouldnt be concerned with winning against tanks, helos, and heavily armed infantry, but rather lasting as long as possible before dying an insurgents death with their last grenade/rpg round and a few BLUFOR.


Of couse, that being said, I understand that the insurgents winning in PR is shown by the BLUFOR losing all tickets/time signifying loss of public support and consequential withdrawal... but still, I think INS just need to have some good ol' insurgent fun amidst getting raped. Winning isn't everything

I always had fun trying to steal kits, keep alive, and set up great ambushes before getting mowed down by a BH or tank, but then again, I dont mind being raped :\

[Aquiller]

The Insurgents are misunderstood in my opinion. You've proved that Thalin by showing us 2 separate 'fun factors' on both factions.
While playing Blufor you stated that you enjoy teamwork, voip and all that stuff. On the other hand, you've said something completely diffirent about Insurgents - all civi squad annoying blufor, Okita mentioned grabbing kits and getting raped.
The problem is that you see Insurgents as a 'kiddo' faction where teamwork and voip is non existant.

Of course you're not the one to blame, hardly anyone is. Its normal that everybody wants to play as Blufor, while those who stay on INS ar either enthusiasts or who couldnt switch in time.

I liked 0.7-0.75 Insurgency, right now I get the feeling that Insurgent players are there to 'please' Blufor and provide targets or opposition - to raise the 'fun factor'.


Lil' bit chaotic, but I hope you got my point.

[OkitaMakoto]

The Insurgents are misunderstood in my opinion. You've proved that Thalin by showing us 2 separate 'fun factors' on both factions.
While playing Blufor you stated that you enjoy teamwork, voip and all that stuff. On the other hand, you've said something completely diffirent about Insurgents - all civi squad annoying blufor, Okita mentioned grabbing kits and getting raped.
The problem is that you see Insurgents as a 'kiddo' faction where teamwork and voip is non existant.

Of course you're not the one to blame, hardly anyone is. Its normal that everybody wants to play as Blufor, while those who stay on INS ar either enthusiasts or who couldnt switch in time.

I liked 0.7-0.75 Insurgency, right now I get the feeling that Insurgent players are there to 'please' Blufor and provide targets or opposition - to raise the 'fun factor'.


Lil' bit chaotic, but I hope you got my point.

I think I was misunderstood. I didnt mean no teamwork or no VoiP or not even trying. I meant you try your heart out and fight to the death up against a truly superior force. And unless you can swing the battle into terms in your favor, you are doomed to be completely and utterly raped.

Right now, yes, from what Ive seen it seems a lot of INS turn into headless chickens running around the garden waiting for the little bird or Challenger II to finish them. Of course, there are plenty who try to win, and when you get a good team it really shows.

But generally, I think a lot of what the people who DO like to play as insurgents[or at least, dont MIND playing as INS] like is that it is very tough and requires not only teamwork in the normal sense that PR requires, but also an almost completely different set of tactics.

Part of me thinks that some people just dont wanna alter their playing habits for one or two factions, and I understand that to some degree. Its all in the same game, but all the conventional forces play one way while as INS you and your entire team are needed to play differently... and that IS asking a bit from you AND your team.

But, I still love it

Hope I made a bit more sense out of my post... heh I didnt mean to simply be happy getting raped...

[epoch]

I love Insurgency, and have had hours upon hours of fun conveying myself around Al Basrah in a little red car, with a special package on the back seat

What does annoy me, is seeing 30% of the Ins team switch over at the start of the round (after they've made note of the 3 caches of course, or am I too cynical?). Obviously, those people are swiftly moved back whenever possible.

Ins is a great game mode. You get out of it what you put in.

[Scot]

Insurgency and 4x4 km maps are always the most fun, and Sangin is a 4x4 Insurgency map, so what we can see from this is that Sangin will win.



Seriously now though, just a proof that insurgency offers the best gameplay, Al Basrah was released in 0.4 and is still one of the most popular maps. When you look at EJOD, Ghost Train, Road to Kyongangnagngigni and Qwai, well yes they are still played, but I would say Qwai is the only map which comes close to being as exciting as Basrah, but Basrah 9/10 will play better IMO. This is the proof that insurgency shouldn't be hated IMO and I find I have the best games on those maps.

So to answer your question, why people hate it, generally it's because they don't get to go the BLUFOR, but it is a silly misconception that being Insurgent sucks, especially with the addition of the Taliban, the OPFOR on insurgency is soo much fun, and Epoch hit the nail on the head when he said you get out of it what you put in.

[Tim270]

I love INS, much more than AAS personally as it is a lot more dynamic, however, I always try to switch to the INS team as generally the Blufor team is full of people wasting assets, whether it be 1 man transport trucks, 1 man apcs etc.

Only thing that really needs a change in INS is the civi, needs to be reworded so more people play it imo.

[arthuro12]

I like Ins better than AAS imho D: just feels more bad *** when your shooting an AK and go all ''ALLAH AKBAR''

[OkitaMakoto]

Only thing that really needs a change in INS is the civi, needs to be reworded so more people play it imo.

Its already called the Collaborator, no longer Civilian, correct? At least, I thought so...

[Saobh]

For me Insurgency saved PR from becoming pretty repetitive. The fact that it adds randomness / new type of objective & side imbalance (thus surviving vs the odds ---> 300 type gives it a breath of fresh air between *** rounds.

Tho sadly I've had numerous times where I was playing with a good team who completely lost any teamwork logic when the map switched to Insurgency. There is a certain notion of free for all that is kind of bewildering. All the more by the fact that most SLs seem oblivious that they can build spawn points for their team, thus more chaotic gameplay as you spend most of your time walking.


It also has the added value of letting you still enjoy PR even when you only have 20-30" time to play as the fighting is a bit more intense.

[Aliblista]

Ins is by far the best gamemode, aas without team work (which happens if u gamble on pubs) is usually awful, ins on the otherhand is still playable even if your team doesnt want to play together and when teamwork is there its brilliant

I personally prefer to play opfor mostly on ins, especially with the new aks etc (so very sexy).

Dieing as ins is annoyin at times, but being blown up by an ied/mine/technical in a full vehicle as blufor is demoralising, personally id rather be on the other side of it, laughing at the blufor.

[Alex6714]

I used to love the insurgency game mode back in 0.6. Now the lack of the spawns, deviation and the big spawn times just make me say no to playing insurgent.


Unless its karbala and I can spam SA-7s at the US.

[cyberzomby]

Agreed with pretty much everything said here. I love Insurgency as well. I used to hate it. But now that Ive seen that some teams on insurgents work together its gold! I even led a team of insurgents once and it was just as good as a regular game. Even nicer because you need to think of ways to beat the superior weapons!

Its a bloody shame that some people refuse to play as insurgents. Even in community matches. I already know of some people who wont go insurgent in fallujah match because they hate it! Same thing as in public games. When I wasnt a [T&T] member I was looking forward to finaly play blufor on an ins map but got switched over dozen times because of the refusers!

[tofumastah_420]

I personally don't really like insurgency. It can be fun at times but I prefer AAS. My proposition to people liking/not liking: more servers that run only aas maps or ins maps. That way people can stay with their preferred gamemode.

[AnRK]

People hate Insurgency?

Seriously though, it seems to be pretty popular, there were at least 3 24/7 Insurgency servers last time I looked (granted I haven't played PR in a few weeks now..)

[ghoststorm11]

I do not like INS all the time, but it seems that servers put it out there more often than not (I said it SEEMS that way, not that it is that way), and that most new maps are INS maps. I prefer the "formal army" vs "formal army" game I.E. AAS. I just wish that the DEVs (you have done a great job, so do not take this as criticism but just wishful thinking) would make more AAS maps with armor/air assets. Like a massive 12 v 12 tank battle map or another qinling/kashan or possibly a 1 km x 1km city map with only infantry. I just don't like the insurgents style. Thats all. I'm not saying that INS isn't fun, I just think the INS system is a little skewed against the Insurgents. Like the collaborator gets a long respawn and there are no field dressings (so only one or two people may want to play collaborator during one game, which means you die a lot). One thing that bugs me the most is scoped weapons for the insurgents. Yes I know that most of their weapons should be unscoped, but a rare kit that has an SVD it should spawn. But, I like AAS to get the full PR experience.

[Challenger 2 SWE]

I often enjoy INS and i agree PR would otherwise be a liitle bit repeating.
BUT i only like it when it got teamwork... which is why i often don´t like INS rounds beacuse at least 3/4 of the team run around 1 and 1 with RPG kits and whatever they can find (bomb trucks, go alone to lure with IED etc.).

However it might just be me but i love Taliban maps most of all. Espically Khorengal.

[Rudd]

Teamswappers should get banned imo, I kick them to make a point on the iGi server.

Only thing that really needs a change in INS is the civi, needs to be reworded so more people play it imo.

true

I enjoy servers that run 100% insurgency, or 100% AAS it means everyone on the server is where they want to be.

Also, there is a chance of crashing the server when changing gamemode iirc.