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karambaitos wrote:implying that the BMP-3 already isnt a rambo that mows down everything (even tanks, and jets, and helicopters), and then KILLS an entire squad flippin BMP-3s

Fixed your post, just for laughs

HunterMed, you just got told by Midnight...

And i assure you, there will be a medic in my squad. Such one that understands the importance of it, not a whiner. He's going to be in my squad because thats a part of the gameplay and my squad rules. Then again, specialists dont have a scope aswell and if they remove the binocs, nobody will play specialist? Even more, when im not squadleading, ill probably do the medic duty, because even as it is now, nobody really wants to play that and its a game of who selects the scoped AR first.

So, good luck on finding your inner peace complaining about the changes you havent tested yet, while i enjoy the game to the fullest.

It's hard to take a clean cut stand on this. The SL has quite a bit on his plate as it is, let alone being the only one that can efficiently scout, and keep constant area/situational awareness up. But, I also like the idea since it would create a more "Fog of war" ambiance.

I cannot decide.

billysmall44 wrote:It's hard to take a clean cut stand on this. The SL has quite a bit on his plate as it is, let alone being the only one that can efficiently scout, and keep constant area/situational awareness up. But, I also like the idea since it would create a more "Fog of war" ambiance.

I cannot decide.

make a guy in the squad a fireteam leader, the SL now has a lot less to think about

how about the specialist getting a binoc as well?
the squadleader doesnt have to look around all the time and manage the squad/team things, and the specialist, which role isnt that difficult (throwing ropes, open doors from time to time) has the job to look around and scout!

karambaitos wrote:make a guy in the squad a fireteam leader, the SL now has a lot less to think about

But, but, but... nooooo. Game doesnt have integrated fireteam support, you have to do it yourself, thats too hard, im going to keep complaining about everything!

Midnight_o9 wrote:Damn, you're one step further, not even an assumption, you're stating something you haven't even tested yet! That's sick dude.

Also you keep saying being medic on a tank map like Kashan will be aweful but seriously, if you are infantry on kashan you have nothing to do in the open, you're either safe in bunkers or covered by armors. Fact is, you see tanks as an overpowered tool... You tend to forget that they are also super vulnerable to HAT and other vehicles... The fact that you don't have binocs anymore wont get you more killed by tanks than before... also tanks are a pretty bad exemple as they are big enough to be spotted in the distance, also with the limitation engine, in the distance some parts of the ground disappear and make things kinda fly... and therefore easier to spot.

As stated before, no leaf on trees, no complete terrain, black spot... you are too used to binocs, you should try to play a round without using your binocs and you'll see how easy it is to spot enemies in the distance without binocs.

And you never have "only one job" you're supposed to cover a position at all time, being aware of the surroundings, build stuff up... Also no more Binocs = one free slot for something else, maybe a shovel for the medic, or a new tool... wait and see.

You maybe always use binocs... I barely use them, as a medic, I'm often the only one with an unscoped gun so I better stay with gun ready in case of a close encounter than uselessly take the risk of being shot down while trying to look at things far away...

I also play at a resolution of 1368x780, which isn't a lot, and I really had no problem spotting stuff in the distance on Falklands, and I used to play on 1920x1080, it was indeed better but lower isn't that bad.

But again I play PR for the teamwork part, and pretty much only for that, I have other games like BF3 or MOH for the killing spree and the "fun" part, so maybe I'm just seeing the game in a different way you do.

There are a lot things inf squads are supposed to do, but as we all know, and I am pretty sure you experienced this too, it doesn't always go as it is supposed. Helis land it hot zones, infs are in the open, tanks get raped by air without AA support and so on.

I see it from this perspective. I want to be the best medic for my team. For that I want the best equipment. With binocs, in case I need, I can see easier in long range, without I cannot and have to rely on someone who maybe is a dumbass who doesn't know what he is doing. Of course, this "against" teamwork in a little way I agree. But at somepoint there is a line where you can't rely on others anymore and I think this point might be reached, but we'll see with the new realease then.
And as I said often enough I spotted things that saved my squad with my binocs. That's just my personal experience...
Fine you think that means I haven't been a "real" medic, like you want him to be, but I live with the premise to keep the squad alive by not having to revive anyone in the first place.
Maybe you will change your mind and I will too after the release


I will try playing without binocs, yep, good idea!
And you should try to to use them a lot in one round and then we'll meet here again and share our experience and I am not kidding btw

Heavy Death wrote:HunterMed, you just got told by Midnight...

And i assure you, there will be a medic in my squad. Such one that understands the importance of it, not a whiner. He's going to be in my squad because thats a part of the gameplay and my squad rules. Then again, specialists dont have a scope aswell and if they remove the binocs, nobody will play specialist? Even more, when im not squadleading, ill probably do the medic duty, because even as it is now, nobody really wants to play that and its a game of who selects the scoped AR first.

So, good luck on finding your inner peace complaining about the changes you havent tested yet, while i enjoy the game to the fullest.

relax dude, if I am a whiner then you are a fanboy. So just please refrain from such useless things to say.


By saying you will ENJOY a new change without having played it yet is just the same I said, you realize that right?

If we are not allowed to do this, this whole discussion is useless annd all posts should be deleted...

because even as it is now, nobody really wants to play that and its a game of who selects the scoped AR first.

Aren't you just saying what I said in a way, but you are saying it is "even" worse now?
you whiner


I am playing medic 80% of the game or SL myself. If you accuse me of being not a teamwork oriented teamplayer you don't know me at all.

Hmm, I guess I agree with most of what you said... But I strongly disagree with this :

HunterMed wrote: have to rely on someone who maybe is a dumbass who doesn't know what he is doing.

In that case, you have two choices:
- Just call him a dumbass and move on alone
- Take the time to teach him what to do and how to do it well

And you might think it's useless, he wont listen and blah blah blah. But from my experience most people on PR (not taking the first days after a new release into account) are willing to learn, PR is a very special game gameplay wise and you constantly learn from others, and most people I played with are willing to either teach or learn.
If you end up with one of those "dumbasses", just explain him GENTLY what he's doing wrong. People wonder why there are so few players in PR those days but the "fucking noob" attitude doesn't help at keeping players around. (yeah, I know some people are just real dumbass and you can't do anything about it, but they are honestly pretty rare)
(The situation were you make a mistake and get instant kick/ban without warning or explanation is just... disgusting sometimes. And I don't mean wasting special assets such as helicopters as this is clearly unforgivable.)

For the binocs part, I use them a lot, especially as other kits, such as specialist, on which I agree it wouldn't be that bad to leave binocs on as they are often used as scouts on squads. As a medic I only use them when I don't have anything more important to do, such as covering an entry point, or anything close range. Of course when in the open and scouting, I get my binocs out as it is no longer my role to cover the squad, see, we both do our possible to keep the squad alive, just different ways.
But I also played quite a lot on Falklands, Vietnam and Normandy and it didn't bother me at all that I was without binocs so... I don't think It will make a big difference in normal PR on which maps have a lot more buildings and stuff to get cover or to break long distance view.

And yeah, sadly players always tend to look for action more than teamwork, the best exemple being the bad use of APCs moving alone without cover and that rarely answer to transport requests... but in my opinion that's not a reason to prevent other players to play the game well, like during events or on servers with mandatory teamwork. So that point shouldn't be an argument in any case.

Midnight_o9 wrote:Hmm, I guess I agree with most of what you said... But I strongly disagree with this :


In that case, you have two choices:
- Just call him a dumbass and move on alone
- Take the time to teach him what to do and how to do it well

And you might think it's useless, he wont listen and blah blah blah. But from my experience most people on PR (not taking the first days after a new release into account) are willing to learn, PR is a very special game gameplay wise and you constantly learn from others, and most people I played with are willing to either teach or learn.
If you end up with one of those "dumbasses", just explain him GENTLY what he's doing wrong. People wonder why there are so few players in PR those days but the "fucking noob" attitude doesn't help at keeping players around. (yeah, I know some people are just real dumbass and you can't do anything about it, but they are honestly pretty rare)

For the binocs part, I use them a lot, especially as other kits, such as specialist, on which I agree it wouldn't be that bad to leave binocs on as they are often used as scouts on squads. As a medic I only use them when I don't have anything more important to do, such as covering an entry point, or anything close range. Of course when in the open and scouting, I get my binocs out as it is no longer my role to cover the squad, see, we both do our possible to keep the squad alive, just different ways.

And yeah, sadly players always tend to look for action more than teamwork, the best exemple being the bad use of APCs moving alone without cover and that rarely answer to transport requests...

yes, you are right of course...

The game has a smaller and smaller number of new players each year, yet it gets more and more complex and specialised (making it less and less likely that new players will stick around). That's a lot of the problem of what you're talking about Midnight. I agree with what you say by the way.

HunterMed, i didnt say you are non teamwork player. Also, i didnt mean enjoy as "i know im going to have a good time" but rather as welcome the changes with open arms and then adapt to them. If there is a really annoying part, it will show. But by saying "this will suck so hard" and going to test the changes, you will subconciously hate the thing from the start...

All im saying, dont be afraid of changes. If everybody would think that seemingly "backwards" steps are a bad change, PR would be much like vanilla.

Well, I think I'm gonna leave that little debate now, as I think we reached a pretty good point now with Hunter and going further wouldn't be useful at all, and Heavy Death just pointed a very good point as well, couldn't agree more on that, so again, wait and see!

I guess we'll get back here with tons of ideas and arguments once PR 1.0 is released!
Until then folks, I'm gonna enjoy the binocs while I can to look at those shiny tanks up on the hill!

HunterMed wrote:I want to be the best medic for my team. For that I want the best equipment. With binocs, in case I need, I can see easier in long range, without I cannot and have to rely on someone who maybe is a dumbass who doesn't know what he is doing.....

Change squads. There is no reason in the world why, if your are trying to be the best medic, to be in a shit squad. I commend you for wanting to be a good player but lets stop enabling squads that don't compliment your attitude and skills. Squad lead, set the standard.

I welcome the loss of binoc's. And score screen as well. I remembe when the radar was taken out alot of us howled.. me included. But it was when PR dropped into 3rd gear and made it better. 4th gear?

4th gear was the removal of the perma rally(which had a lot of complaining and was very divided among the community but it did make pr alot better imo)......binos can be 5th gear

Mikemonster wrote:The game has a smaller and smaller number of new players each year, yet it gets more and more complex and specialised (making it less and less likely that new players will stick around). That's a lot of the problem of what you're talking about Midnight. I agree with what you say by the way.

It keeps the gene pool clean

Pvt.LHeureux wrote:It keeps the gene pool clean

Exactly that. I rather have 5 servers of good+ players than 50 servers of pure retardation.

I'd rather have an easy to play game, made simple enough to be fun for new guys yet replayable/balanced enough to be fun for experienced guys. And enjoy 10 servers of average players with experienced squad leaders.

As is you get a massive experience bleed towards the 'fun' roles that get kills. These roles are easier to play, get you more kills, are more 'lonewolfy' and are generally played by the same players each round.

I don't see many Logi squads any more, but I always see two 'CAS' squads made on the 1.30 mark..

Mikemonster wrote:
I don't see many Logi squads any more, but I always see two 'CAS' squads made on the 1.30 mark..

logistics gets boring when you play the game for thousands of hours

My point exactly..


Edit: I came back to PR after a fair few months away and forgot all of the quirks and tricks that we do without thinking as players that already know the game. It was quite intimidating to be honest. I think PR needs a harsh diet to strip away the fat and make it a lean, mean, reality based fun machine.

yes, prepare to die fucking instantly in any kind of asset, and I mean in a horrible fireball of melted chassis, twisted rotors, and your magazine exploding violently, if you operate any asset completely inexperienced in this game.

never really saw that as a bad thing, but I suppose it doesnt facilitate new players. What accelerates learning how to play a game (anything) properly is simply watching the best players play.

If any player considers themselves shit at flying, driving, or whatever, they should study phlupple, or whoever uploads full rounds operate. In fact, it took me way too long to actually learn how to shoot my weapon straight, it took a while of extrapolation from the indicator on the HAT to actually "get" deviation, but watching phlupple shoot in his videos I could have learned in a day (no nuthug). Problem with PR is that there's really no resources to teach yourself to play, its all trial and error, and people arent even that keen on that, inherently. I mean it took humans a few thousand years to come up with any explanation for gravity, despite living with it, always, forever. Now, you can attend a lecture or two, and have a decent understanding after a couple practice problems, and discussion. Same deal with PR, you can miss 10000 shots and never even contemplate trying to figure out why, because theres really nothing obvious about it, it takes a lot of time, or the keenest observant minds to really try and get it. Back to the gravity example though, even newton, who was stupifyingly smart lived with gravity for 30 years before even postulating it. Goes to show how unobservant people are. You need to show people things. Thats probably one of the reasons the HAT weapons are so fucking useful. Any god damn retard can see the little indicator. WE dont need indicators in game, but to get you to imagine an indicator is as useful.

I can only theorize, I kind of actually suck in practice, but maybe ill try and upload some tutorials and examples in time for 1.0, should anyone try and actively recruit new players to the game

whoops this thread is about binoculars.