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The new AMD CPUs aren't optimized to play most games cause it's new and six cores is better then four especially when there is a hunder dollars differnce from the amd fx 6100 and intel i5 2500k

=ESF=Mercy300 wrote:The new AMD CPUs aren't optimized to play most games cause it's new and six cores is better then four especially when there is a hunder dollars differnce from the amd fx 6100 and intel i5 2500k

6 cores is not necessarily better than 4 it depends if the programs can use all six and how much cache is accessible to each core

Arma III is being developed to use 6 coresfor example but other programs are not so you will see a difference in playing Arma III


I personally would go with AMD since their prices are cheap and the performance hit is not very big

I am confused, did you even check those benchmarks? Heck even a i3 beats almost all AMD's old and new cpus.
AMD FX-8150 costs more than 2500k, and even OCed it loses 20% to _stock_ 2500k. No matter how little the other AMD cpus costs I just can't justify buying them for gaming, especially for Arma2. Those graphs that i posted speak for themselves. Let me point out once more that even 2500k has to be OCed to get most out of Arma2. If on the other hand you are buying a rig for Arma3 then wait till it is rlsed and make your choices then but the topic was bout "Can I run Arma2", right? I speak from experience, go intel in this case. You won't regret. I can't say the same about Phenom II's.

As rushn said Arma 3 will use six cores so an AMD six core procceser will be probably better then an i7 2600k and as I said intel is better now cause games are more optimized to play it. If you see the specs of and i7 vs an amd fx 8150 it's almost the same. Intels sandybridge artitechture is diffrent then bulldozers/Zambezi artitechture and bulldozer/Zambezi is newer so give them time and you'll see more games using six or eight core cpus. IMO I still think AMD is better cause its price to performance ratio, even though and i5 is better but not in the future.

Edit: I'm also thinking of the future cause I dont want to get a new cpu for years to come.

Edit1: Compare the differance of amd fx 8150 and i7 2600k http://www.knowbytes.com/home/articles/ ... md-fx-8150

The IvyBridge CPUs for the 1155 architecture will be released to public on 29 April in the USA.

Not a huge improvement for gamers, it mostly will be much better integrated graphics, which you won't use, and a small incremental improvement in CPU speed.

BUT, the price of SandyBridge is dropping as retailers clear out inventory for the new releases.

IMHO I'd go with the Intel SandyBridge and Z68 if you are building soon. The Zambezi/Bulldozer architecture is so screwed up it probably will never run at the theoretical optimal speed that AMD promised just before product launch.

That the Phenom II's are still outperforming the Bulldozers , and have higher OC potential, is possibly the last nail in the coffin for AMD as a high end CPU design Corporation.

There is one major rule about PC hardware:

You cannot directly compare two different manufacturers hardware... They use completely different design techniques, different architectures. You may only see in practice how they perform, then compare that. Hard numbers can be used to compare two products in the same line, E.g, an AMD 8150 and 8120

Also the i7-2600k runs 8 threads. Therefore, it should perform better in Arma 3. The AMD will probably trump the i5 as that has only 4 threads, compared to the AMD's 8.

But again, the i7 will outperform the AMD due to a generally better design. I admire AMD's attempts to shake up the design, but using only one FPU per 2 'modules', but in terms of real life performance, they lack behind Intel and its massive budget / influence over most of the computing world.

However I am only going by reviews, but then again that's all we'll have to go by in terms of performance.
Benchmark Results: Skyrim And StarCraft II : AMD's FX-8150 After Two Windows 7 Hotfixes And UEFI Updates

Benchmark Results: F1 2011 : AMD Bulldozer Review: FX-8150 Gets Tested

AMD FX-8150 review: Benchmarks | from TechRadar's expert reviews of Processors

(In the last review, you can see the X264 encoding test, which runs ALL cores/threads, and the i7 performs slightly better there at stock, but shows it outperforms the i5 if all cores are utilised, showing a small insight into Arma 3 possible performance).

But looking back through the thread here, you're going for a completely different league of processor, so the 6100's price changes the pictures slightly.

Also take a closer look at the differences between the 6100 and 6200...
You will see they use different Core architectures(Zambezi and Orochi, although not sure about that one), but they definitely use different max Wattage (Important if you ever think about OCing)


Also I may be slightly Biased towards the i7 , I do own one currently, but I try to be factual in my findings as reviews show... Also studying Micro-architecture currently, and looking at processor/cache designs(although only ARM atm).
But have to report my i7 performs brilliantly, and is generally bottlenecked by my GPU's (which are 2x OC'd 570GTX's, so if the i7 beats them, then it's still got some life behind it for sure!)

And how do you like your i7? Does it lag in multitasking and is the intergrated graphic card enough to run a game like arma 2 on medium/high. The i7 has 8 threads and 4 actual cores, but the 8150 has eight actual cores but I dont think that Bulldozer is really optimized to use idk do you think so? Btw what do you think will last longer(years) an 8150 or an i7 2600k or an i5 2500k and what do you think price to performance is better does intel use your money wisley I mean in performance or does amd do that?

E: The reason why I'm a little hesitant about intel is cause I think it will get old in a few years as in the 8150 is eight core and it will last longer?

E1: And if I decided to get an ivybridge cpu would it be a waste of money?

E2: If I decided to get an i7 I will have to get a cheap but nice looking case that has enough cooling and wire management

E3: DANMMMM I could get the i7 2600k without a video card, optical drive and harddrive for 621 after rebate here is the specs
mobo:Newegg.com - MSI P67A-G45 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
case(Finally found a case that looks sexy, has cable management and is spacious:Newegg.com - COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
memory:Newegg.com - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL
And of course the i7 2600k ;Newegg.com - Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I72600K

But one qustion is the intel3000 hd graphic card enough to play arma 3/bf3/ and arma 2? or should I get a gtx 550 ti instead?


*edit note* - there is edit button on posts use that next time please do not make multiple chain posts /MaSSive

the intel 3000 hd graphic card is not a gaming card. It is about equal to a NVidia GT 310M , which is a home office class mobile GPU.

It's equivalent to a US$25 desktop video card. It's not going to get you were you want to be.

Review Intel HD Graphics 3000 graphics solution - Notebookcheck.net Reviews
PassMark Software - Video Card Benchmarks - Video Card Look Up

Use google translate, the best review on the internet:
http://www.inpai.com.cn/doc/hard/140070.htm

Buying a CPU with the expectation that *it will perform better in the future* is wishful thinking and not a wise decision.

I do not like it that AMD drags behind so much Intel and I hope AMD will come up with something more useful for games cos that will create more competition and keep prices down but atm I just can't see any reason to buy AMD for high end gaming (like Arma2 which is basically a simulator).

If you are planning to buy a rig for Arma3, I suggest you wait till it is released and then make your choices. If Arma3 is anything like Arma2 then the cpu that will eventually run it smoothly will be released in 2014.

If however you are buying a rig now for Arma2 like the topic name suggests then you have to go for Intel. There is no way around this. Not a single AMD cpu atm can run Arma2 nearly as good as Intel ones do.
I am not saying this cos of some fanboy mentality. I am saying this cos of experience. + the benchmarks that I provided earlier.

As for the GPUs, you are aiming way too low. Those GPUs that you mention will never ever run Arma2 smoothly and you can forget bumping up settings. Arma3 will probably eat those GPUs alive and poop them out from the back of your case.

Don't take this as an insult but I think we are seeing a Dunning–Kruger effect here in action.

First you said you want to upgrade this PC you have, which is very old and might work as office machine, not gaming PC.

=ESF=Mercy300 wrote:I think of upgrading my computer a Compaq SR5505f. Here are the spec for it Compaq Presario SR5505F Desktop PC Product Specifications Compaq Presario SR5505F Desktop PC - HP Customer Care (United States - English)
I will upgrade my gpu to a XFX HD5750 1gb gddr5 Newegg.com - XFX HD-575X-ZNFR Radeon HD 5750 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card,

my PSU to a HEC 485 WAT PSU Newegg.com - hec HP485D 485W ATX12V Power
Supply - Power Cord Included,

and add two gigabyte of ddr2 800mhz memory Newegg.com - PNY 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory Model MD2048SD2-800-V2. Can I run PR bf2 on High settings, and play Arma 2 on medium with decent FPS.

And I told you this

Socket type: AM2
Motherboard supports the following processor upgrades:

• Athlon 64 up to 3800+
• Athlon 64 X2 with Dual Core technology up to 4800+ (up to 65 watt TDP)
• Sempron - All

Even if you get dual core AMD Athlon 4800+ it wont make any big difference for Arma.

Purchasing powerful graphic card while having a weak CPU also wont take you anywhere, since it will bottleneck. Your CPU will be on max load while your GPU will not, and it will cause FPS drops and stuttering.

Getting another 2GB of DDR2 is a good decision, it will help you play PR:BF2, and in general upgrading GPU will help PR:BF2 wise.

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f449-p ... ments.html

You will able to play Arma2, but the question is will it be playable or slideshow. You got the point I guess.

I pretty much answered your question there staight about upgrading this PC.

You also said

=ESF=Mercy300 wrote:Sry for the delayed response, @litoris thanks for the info @ mange my budget is 90-150 dollars @ Massive my shitty laptop can play arma 2 on low with 15-30 fps and its way lower then the this upgrade.

With budget of $90-$150 you cant do much, but you could get additional 2GB of DDr2-800 RAM, and some better GPU.

Still that will not run Arma2 @30Fps, maybe in low resolution and low settings. Can you show me which laptop is that? One that can run it @30FPS, the shitty one?

Then you said

=ESF=Mercy300 wrote:My budget got bigger now six hundred to seven hundred dollars. I need some help choosing my parts for my custom build. I will use this computer for senior year and gaming and I want some help. Do you think an amd fx 6200 plus a gtx 550 ti with amd performance ram 8gb dd3 or a Intel i7 2600k and I will buy a graphic card later or is a Intel i7 a waste of money?

So now you budget is $600-$700 and you want to build a FX6200 / i72600k along with gtx550ti based PC? Hardly. i7 2600k costs more than half of your budget and gtx550ti costs additional $150, so count in mainboard, memory, hard drives, case, power supply...??? No go I'm afraid.


And then you want this

=ESF=Mercy300 wrote:And how do you like your i7? Does it lag in multitasking and is the intergrated graphic card enough to run a game like arma 2 on medium/high. The i7 has 8 threads and 4 actual cores, but the 8150 has eight actual cores but I dont think that Bulldozer is really optimized to use idk do you think so? Btw what do you think will last longer(years) an 8150 or an i7 2600k or an i5 2500k and what do you think price to performance is better does intel use your money wisley I mean in performance or does amd do that?

E: The reason why I'm a little hesitant about intel is cause I think it will get old in a few years as in the 8150 is eight core and it will last longer?

E1: And if I decided to get an ivybridge cpu would it be a waste of money?

E2: If I decided to get an i7 I will have to get a cheap but nice looking case that has enough cooling and wire management

E3: DANMMMM I could get the i7 2600k without a video card, optical drive and harddrive for 621 after rebate here is the specs
mobo:Newegg.com - MSI P67A-G45 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
case(Finally found a case that looks sexy, has cable management and is spacious:Newegg.com - COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
memory:Newegg.com - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL
And of course the i7 2600k ;Newegg.com - Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I72600K

But one qustion is the intel3000 hd graphic card enough to play arma 3/bf3/ and arma 2? or should I get a gtx 550 ti instead?

So lets see what you got here.

CPU - Intel Core i7-2600K - $320
Mobo - MSI P67A-G45 - $140
RAM - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB - $42
CASE- COOLER MASTER HAF 912 - $60

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Totaling = $561

You are still missing power supply which will cost you around $100, and a graphic card. I assume you can use your old HDD and optical drives but HAF 912 does not come with PSU, and your current PSU is not compatible with this build if you were thinking to reuse it.

Intel HD3000 is low end graphic intended for average user not for gaming. So surfing web, watching movies etc is ok, gaming on it, I wish you best of luck, but as I said it wont work right.

From my POV since you said you can invest 600-700$, you can get a i5 2500k and save $100, which you can invest in good PSU, so youre back on total above, and then you can get a HD6870 and be happy new few years.

CPU - Newegg.com - Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I52500K - $220
PSU - Newegg.com - CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 650W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply - $90
GPU - Newegg.com - XFX Double D HD-687A-ZDFC Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity - $190

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Total = $500 and from total above remove cpu 561 - 320 = $241 + $500 = $741

And you're slightly over your budget, and you're getting a high end PC, and possibly you can find better deals and after rebates and such youre going to be in that $700.

i7 is not better in gaming over i5 at any point. i7 is for professionals working with multimedia applications which can actually use its processing power. Arma2 and BF2 and BF3 cant.

If I was you Id follow this advice, or if you want to go even cheaper you can go with AMD based PC, which will not perform as this one, but you can get a better GPU and upgrade your processor later when you get more cash.

Ok thx guys for your help I appreciate it

Glad to be of help,
Let us know what you decide on buying in this thread,
if you need assistance building the new PC, please make a new thread, it's like throwing peanuts to zoo monkeys.

You have to look at the budget if money is of little issue to you than get intel i7

intel does a great job of outperforming AMD but it does come with a little more cost

if you are concerned about money and future affordability than go with AMD

AMD usually makes easy to upgrade motherboard, so in the future if AMD comes out with something a lot better chances are it will be compatible with your motherboard

I have both AMD and Intel computers and both work great it just depends what you want out of it

It only makes sense to go AMD if you buy second hand rig. With the price of the current AMD almost-high-end/middle cpus one can buy a low end i5 or i3 from intel and still outperform amd. So to the contrary to what rushn said, I would say go for a low/middle end 1155 rig. You can always upgrade the cpu later.

For arma there is a threshold of performance and my experience so far says that at least 2500k crosses it. AMD Phenom II x4 OCed did not cross the threshold and there was a constant struggle with FPS. That is my first hand experience. Use it as you like.

Anyway, +1 to anything that Massive said. I agree with him 100%.

K thx guys I'll probably with the i5 2500k (maybe). And I will post my computer specs and benchmark when I get my system. Thx for all the help and patience
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IvyBridge apparently sucks, and is 95W TDP, not 77W as promised earlier. IT also can not overclock as stable or as high as the SanyBridge K CPUS. Meaning IvyBridge is a flop.
Ivy Bridge gets 95W TDP, worse overclocker than Sandy Bridge - www.nordichardware.com

GO buy the i5-2500k knowing that the "next big new thing" is bound to be a flop.

Ok rgr that thx

=ESF=Mercy300 wrote:And how do you like your i7? Does it lag in multitasking and is the intergrated graphic card enough to run a game like arma 2 on medium/high. The i7 has 8 threads and 4 actual cores, but the 8150 has eight actual cores but I dont think that Bulldozer is really optimized to use idk do you think so? Btw what do you think will last longer(years) an 8150 or an i7 2600k or an i5 2500k and what do you think price to performance is better does intel use your money wisley I mean in performance or does amd do that?

E: The reason why I'm a little hesitant about intel is cause I think it will get old in a few years as in the 8150 is eight core and it will last longer?

E1: And if I decided to get an ivybridge cpu would it be a waste of money?

OK, The i7 is not powerful enough on its own to power games on medium settings at all, although I haven't tried this (nor can I as my motherboard P67-GD65) is of the P variety, which disables the on board GPU of the i7, to enable external GPU's, I believe the Z variety allows both integrated GPU(the Intels) and external to be used, and the H series is integrated only.

As for how I find it performs, there are no slow downs, no matter how many programs I have open at the same time, I have been able to run multiple games at once, movies etc... You can try and push it to its limits with multitasking but nothing really fills it up.

I still reckon the i5 will perform the same in day to day tasks, I just find rendering 3D models 2x quicker with the 8 threads, than the i5 which has 4. But really the difference in speed between the i5/i7 in normal use is negligible

I reckon they will both last around the same time in years, possibly a few months more out of the i7 but not any more than 3... Also I believe both intel chips surpass the 8150 and will continue to throughout their lifetime, CPU's tend not to get the driver updates that impact performance as much as GPU's, where Nvidia and AMD can increase performance by significant amounts in certain scenarios (games).


Price to performance, I'd go i5, and as you're on a lower budget ( In total my rig cost me ?1650, without monitor) it is definitely the wiser choice.

The way people define cores varies, as you could take Nvidia's old GPUs and compare them to AMD's in terms of cores the Nvidia chips had less than a third of the cores, yet were still able to run at higher FPS' and were generally faster GPU's. So don't get caught up in the marketing jumbo they come up with .

Ivy bridge is yet to be fully tested, and early reports like the one LitOralis posted give a small insight, but still don't show true performance.
And is apparently rumoured for a late April launch so only a few weeks

Well I wont be getting the pc now now but once I save up to 200 or 300 dollars(15 year olds dont get alot of money) of down payment for the one year no interest above 500 dollars finacing I will get it. My cart looks some thing like this
Cpu is a intel i5 2500k(its pretty much bang for the buck(I want to see how the ivybridges preforms first just so I want regreat it)
video card is a xfx double d 6870 1gb ddr5 150 after rebate
Ram is r skill 8gb ddr3 1333
Mobo is an AsRock z68 pro3 gen3(has pci 3.0 but no crossfire/sli)
Case is a CM HAF 912
Psu is a raidmax hybird 630w modular
and I found a WD essesntial my book 1tb in my house lol(btw I could take out the the case of the essesntial and connect it to sata, its a 5400rpm but it wont be my main hd)
Main hd will be a 160gb 7200rpm
optical drive will be some old dvd drive rw
so thats about it just gotta get the deposit
AND I already have a windows 7 ultimate dvd
pretty much the whole build will cost me 641 dollars

IMO I think the best cpu for the buck is intel and best gpu for the buck is amd