Eliteism

[Nate.]

For a game like PR, which needs every player, it is essential to provide a good experience for newcomers. Therefore, one should always try to be polite to new people. This is for the Forums and for ingame-playing.

Explaining things in a calm way may enhance understanding more than just kicking or shouting at them ("GET OUT THE FCKING VEHICLE U NEWB"). Most of the new players are curious to get to know the game and they should be invited to Squads and be taught the basics (tell them to read the manual, but don't kick them immediately when they did not). Maybe the most common Server Rules (Asset rule, etc..) should be added to the Manual.

On the other hand: People that do not listen, do not answer or start flaming: Kick'em.

Furthermore, I also think that 80% of Mumble Comms is just nonsense-stuff not related to increasing teamplay. Therefore, our clan only uses Teamspeak for comms. Nevertheless, Mumble is now mandatory on our server.
Some Communication-Guidelines would awesome (Maybe add them to the tips-list when loading): Do Not Talk to "all Squads" all the time when just reporting stuff nobody cares about, keep comms clear and talk to specific Squads!


Suggestion for next patch: AUTO-MUTE Players during MAPCHANGE: Only Admins may talk

[Wicca]

I remember when I was new. I remember seeing new members. Maybe if we had a more "lets make PR popular" instead of "lets rape everyone else in PR".

Everytime a new player comes in, help them. Send them links, offer them help. Give them tips and solutions to stuff on the field. I cant count how many people ive helped with mumble, or mortars. And I still do it. Its ok.

The only thing I have an issue with, is players who has no mic. And cant hear me since they disabled VOIP. Goodbye.

[SShadowFox]

IMO having no mumble because you don't have a mic is a shame, you don't need to speak, you need to hear and follow the orders, damn, is it hard? Is elitism, have the preference to play with who use mumble?

I'm not so good on English, but I still play with Americans, British, and other people that speak English, learning more and more every day, the same with PR and Mumble of course, maybe you gonna like, maybe not, like it or not, you will learn to play, you will begin to like, you will learn how to use, then, you will tell to other people how to use, then, those ones will teach another ones, having no end, it'll only end, when PR ends, hopefully it won't be too early...

[FuzzySquirrel]

What I was mainly referring to with "elitism" as the arrogant attitude people have towards someone who simply may not want to use something like mumble. Elitism has nothing to do with telling people who troll, grief, or just want nothing to do with learning how to play properly to piss off.

A person isn't worthless to the community just because they don't want to use something or can't. I'm trying really hard to address mumble as I don't want it to be the focal point of this thread, but I will say Shwedor had some very valid points about some peoples behavior on it that sometimes make it more of a pain than its worth.

So yea, generally what I mean by Elitism is just assuming you're better than someone who is new.

[Wicca]

I am better than new players... What u mean?

[SShadowFox]

I never seen people that think is better than the new player.
About what Shwedor said about the Mumble, I NEVER, I say again, NEVER, heard people putting music on mumble or speaking shit, until the end of the round and everybody is relaxing.
Every time I play on Mumble servers, I see people playing organized.

Wicca:

I think he's not talking about you, he's generalizing people that think is better.

[Wicca]

But its kinda self evident, that all new players are shit. And experienced arent. Because of obvious reasons. Its not an oppinion its a fact.

New players need help.

[SGT.Ice]

The problem is overtime as people progress, they often think they're badasses due to a lack of self assessment. It happens in any possible field where there is room for advancement, sports, business, etc.

[Jolly]

I remember when I was new. I remember seeing new members. Maybe if we had a more "lets make PR popular" instead of "lets rape everyone else in PR".

Agreed






When you guys see too many noobs you'll get sick of it. especially those individuals never follow your order, although he have a mic.
You get mad when they failed one simple thing and we are asking too much from new-come.
I am patience in game and I am okay play with anyone with a mic, but when I feel myself tired, i'd like to have a cup of coffee and enjoy some comics.
Talk about mumble, it's a useful tool that we cant force everyone use it. In most of cases, we can type to communicate. But I storngly promote it in our community, coz it's so powerful. So Lots of ppl use it.
Back to Eliteism, I just wanna say, be patience, get rid of game when you feel exhausted.

[SGT.Ice]

People need to remember overall we need to grow the community. But the other problem is how you plan to deal with new comers.

[Hunt3r]

Clearly, the problem is that they are all below me.

/s

More seriously, the issue is that mumble is almost 95% useless, the only real thing I've ever used it for in pubs is just to yell at someone outside of the squad when they're 5 feet away to either toss a nade or heal me or some other ****.

[Bringerof_D]

I must say i haven't legitimately coached a newbie in a long time. on a count of i rarely encounter any these days and the few that i do encounter don't want to learn. I remember back in .65 when i was new and everybody just taught me so much. and in .7 and .85 when i ran as squad leader most times i played and actually coached quite a few new guys.

I find Elitism is only particularly apparent when clans join pub servers and play together. I don't mind so much the team stacking, it's the locked squads. they boot non clan members even though they have an open space the entire time. They generally go about their own way and ignore communication from other squads. Even when someone properly requests to join their squads they say "no, for clan members only" now of course not all clans are like this, i've played among clan folk who let people join and then politely notify them when they have a clan buddy coming in before kicking them. In those cases i usually say "sure thing." and leave the squad before they kick me. really this applies to any group of people who know each other and play together in locked squads, it's not just clans.

[IINoddyII]

ps, don't turn this into a mumbleisgreaterthanlife thread.

From the OP.

We have plenty of discussions wrt the merits of mumble.. they are considered o/t in this one.

My 2c - I think things were worse maybe 12 months ago.. I think the massive drop of numbers that first happened after Skyrim and BF3 which we haven't recovered from was the instigator for the slight change... Now I see more people being forgiving to newer players. I hope those attitudes don't change.

[Bringerof_D]

From the OP.

We have plenty of discussions wrt the merits of mumble.. they are considered o/t in this one.

My 2c - I think things were worse maybe 12 months ago.. I think the massive drop of numbers that first happened after Skyrim and BF3 which we haven't recovered from was the instigator for the slight change... Now I see more people being forgiving to newer players. I hope those attitudes don't change.

^this, i kinda hope attitudes go back to pre .8ish times. not saying it's the newer iterations fault, that's just how i'm labeling the timeline. Around those times and before the community was much more open and newbie friendly. When i first started in .65 i was almost never told to RTFM, instead i was encouraged to ask and learn from my squadmates and in doing so i was never denied good advice and instruction.

[Hectorjr21]

100% honesty without reading the 4 pages of this thread.

New players are a cancer.

[Cossack]

Well, I play PR for 2-3 years and I remember when .87 or smt was out there was the training rooms or something. Maybe that could help.

Just back in the days when I squad leaded a bit, I had to teach new guys in actual combat and while I did we all died. Some people don't even respond and grabs something and go somewhere...

How I got better in PR is I joined latvian community: learned the basics and game mechanics, joined PRT: got advanced insight of the game and had plessure to work with dedicated squad, joined clan: nearly know all aspects of the game and work with high level people that understands what to do and how things are working.

So yeah, first thing what I did was find like minded people who are interested in teamwork gameplay and I got the ball rolling. I did pretty big research before I even started, like red the manual like 2-3 times so it would be a lot more easier to work with people in the start.

I think, people who start playing PR really don't know what they are expecting and thinks its like vannila BF2 with enchanted graphics and visuals. Remember there was a guy who was so disappointed that PR is not even close to vBF2... Some new guys are good, some don't even know what they are expecting.

[ComradeHX]

I recently finally acquired a 1080 monitor to play PR and I see this...

Seriously? I do not think complaining about someone's lack of mumble is a bad thing; no mumble = less fun for EVERYONE.

[RGG:Dale]

100% honesty without reading the 4 pages of this thread.

New players are a cancer.

I come for a look in BF2 forums and that's what I see ^^^

New Players are a Cancer?

Ive read the whole thread, New players are needed to keep a game/mod alive as the older players get bored, it doesn't matter how big you make the game, it is the community around it which keeps it going and the countless hours of time working on the game/mod not including the money you've donated (which again requires your time to go to work)

You need to keep nurturing the community, and that involves training the new people coming to see what you have built.

If you ever lose that ethos then call it a lost cause because time will erode away at the old players and new players wont be interested because bit by bit the mod will close off to the outside world.

Also I would say half these comments are, "cant be arsed to help" thats fine because a lot of the older players will be tired after a day at work, but youve got to have either community training days or an actual training server.

The reason why people play PR is because they want the best MP that BF2 can provide, that means training in MP as well.

I haven't played BF2 R in a while and the memories I have of are very fond ones, I think the reason for that was due to everyone just enjoying themselves and having that ability to go to different kinds of servers, with different kinds of players.

And obviously your going to get your non team play orientated players, but all you need to do is tell them admin, the admin can make their mind up on what they want to do with that player.

That player will start listening if they know they will either be banned or kicked if they don't follow the squad leaders orders.

Well that's the end of my 2cents I think as long as you are enjoying BF2 R you will naturally attract the right players and take the good with the bad, if your any cop in the business world you'll have a plan longer than 12 years.

[Psyrus]

. And I can ALWAYS hear the enemy close to me , Creative X-fi Go Pro on ultra with $110 headset allows me to hear everything on the map, I can hear the enemy APC's starting up in their main from the carrier in Jabal with helis spinning all around me. I can hear the enemy walking in their mainbase on Kashan from my mainbase pretty much, my sound is that good.

Actually that's a bug with XFi setups. You're not supposed to be able to hear that (as defined by the sound distances in the game's files) and as such should cease and desist as henceforth you'll be continuing to exploit a [now known to you] bug

Also, lol @ elitism being the catchphrase on the 2012 PR forums

Edit:

And if we're going to continually harp on about an essentially meaningless term, let's at least spell it correctly...

[sweedensniiperr]

I remember seeing "NEW PLAYERS HERE" squads on servers which were hosted by the most amazing SLs out there.

You need to ask yourself, "what do I do to improve all this?"

I haven't done much, mainly because I'm not that confident in PR even to this day. But I'm very tempted to create NEW PLAYERS SQUAD and logistics squads in my upcoming games.

EDIT: It was probably on TG, and probably by cougar