Are mics required?

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Trooper909
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Re: Are mics required?

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saXoni wrote:It's all about trust really. I wouldn't have an issue playing with a mute player I already know is good at the game. I'll give him simple instructions and he'll follow them, if he fails he'll be able to write a quick note in the chat and we'll come help. A problem is if he goes down though, we wouldn't be able to know what killed him unless someone was watching or we heard the potential shot.
nme 240..doesn't take long to type or read that.Less effective in certain roles I agree but not really less effective as a grunt and grunt is what a micless guy is limited to playing.

In an effective squad reporting where I got shot from shouldn't be an issue anyway if we have all sectors covered,I have someone watching my back, SL knows where his squad is and what they are doing,if the rest of the squad aren't stupid(situational awareness).In less organized squads different though.
An effective squad shouldn't have its members wondering around alone anyway and with the the larger squad sizes it should be even less of an issue.

Got to admit though its very easy to assume the micless guy(not silent because I type) Is a newbie though.
Never know you could kick me and get a guy with a mic you have to babysit and is a liability the whole round because hes new or stupid ;-)

I'm a unique case and always will be and dare I say may have more experience then most of the guys that insta kick me for being a No0b lol
Heavy Death
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No mic = no immersion. Bad player or not, mic doesnt change that.
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Re: Are mics required?

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Archosaurus wrote:And don't be afraid to talk, no one should have a reason to mock you for your voice or anything. Generally as long as we can understand you and you're not a little kid, we don't care.
I can confirm, I was once a high-voiced kid (even though i was 17...). Had some of the best times of my life (in video game terms) playing with a group of players who were all top quality and knew how to roll the game (yall know who you are if you reading this).

One thing - just dont be scared.

Its very easy in this game, in fact its the only game thats ever done it to me, but you can easily get stressed out. If youve had a shitty day, and you get into a server with intense gunfire and synchronised squad movements, being thrust upon the responsibility of a HAT kit, or a grenadier etc can be incredibly overwhelming, as you dont want to let the squad down by being a noob.

I try and be medic whenever possible, love that shit. Important yet down to earth, no tricky knowledge of deviation/distancing needed. Although might be easier in the next version without the harsh deviation.
Trooper909 wrote:nme 240..doesn't take long to type or read that.Less effective in certain roles I agree but not really less effective as a grunt and grunt is what a micless guy is limited to playing.
A squad with everyone on a mic will always be more effective than one with somebody without. He cant shout out targets on the move, or lay down supressing fire whilst telling his squadmates. Try crossing a road with your squad, spotting a group of enemies aiming at your Squadmate, so you lay down supressing fire and your squads just like hey what are you shooting at and BAM you v that enemy squad, you lose.
Trooper909 wrote:In an effective squad reporting where I got shot from shouldn't be an issue anyway if we have all sectors covered,I have someone watching my back, SL knows where his squad is and what they are doing,if the rest of the squad aren't stupid(situational awareness).In less organized squads different though.
An effective squad shouldn't have its members wondering around alone anyway and with the the larger squad sizes it should be even less of an issue.
You cant expect an SL to have complete command of everything, whilst he is in command of the order of attack, rules of engagement and general running of the squad, he is not in command of each individual soldier. He needs each and every one of the squad to be able to be an independent and self-sufficient trooper.
Trooper909 wrote:Got to admit though its very easy to assume the micless guy(not silent because I type) Is a newbie though.
Never know you could kick me and get a guy with a mic you have to babysit and is a liability the whole round because hes new or stupid ;-)
However, if you have to babysit that guy, likelyhood is your going to build up a relationship with him (not in a sexual way), and so be more likely to play with said player in future and so be able to build up a trust and know how each other play.

Its why the same people always play in a group - watch Bluedrakes videos on youtube, its always a core group of players, and the squads of a similar veign are always the same, even outside Clans you can see players play together. Same as I used to play with a group.

You just cant build up that level of trust through text. No matter how much you wish you could.
Trooper909 wrote:I'm a unique case and always will be and dare I say may have more experience then most of the guys that insta kick me for being a No0b lol
You might do, but in a game where you have 3 minutes to squad up at the beginning of a round you will always try and cherry pick the best possible division. If a mic-less player joins, the SL knows his job just got harder regardless of if the person is a good player.

Its like a book store, you judge the book by its cover because that's all you can do in 3 minutes, you may miss the best book on the market because its got a blank front cover, and then get a shitty book with dragons and stuff on the front.

If you join mid-round and join squads your probably more likely to stay, but micless players always come across untrustworthy and im always waiting for them to grab the sniper kit and leave the squad. Damn hate those *******.
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Re: Are mics required?

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[R-CON]rodrigoma wrote:to me the discussion is not on if a player without a mic can be a "good" player or not. It is more for me an the squad and team I am in have fun and be immersed in the experience. To be honest I find players without a mic a bit boring and not able to play in a close teamwork environment.
Thanks for redirecting back on topic. Mumble is positional audio meaning in a fire fight it's incredible immersion. Only reason (I can think of) most people dont use it is perhaps shyness? Or don't want to wake their fellow inmates (just kidding), family, which is okay but if you really want to help your squad/team you really ought to use your mic if you can. We wont laugh at your girly voice.. promise :grin:

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Re: Are mics required?

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Get a mic, its cheap. If you dont feel comfortable talking to people, get therapy. If you cant talk because late and loud, avoid roles that require a lot of communication, best to stick to basic infantery.
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Re: Are mics required?

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In PRTA, we enforce the use of microphones:

1.1 All players must be on mumble. All players must have a microphone. When the server is filled, we will kick non mumblers for players that are on mumble.Please make sure that your nick in game and nick on Mumble are similar to ensure you will not be kicked.

PR Server Rules - Wiki - PR Teamwork Alliance

But some servers allow people without microphones of course :)
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Arab
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Re: Are mics required?

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ComradeHX wrote:In other games you need it to yell at 12 year olds when they fail/you are not having fun, in PR you actually need it to have more fun.
No, you need a mic to yell at the parents who break the law by allowing their 12 year old kids to play a game not designed for them and become socially isolated at the end.
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Trooper909
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WelshManDan wrote:micless players always come across untrustworthy and im always waiting for them to grab the sniper kit and leave the squad. Damn hate those *******.
I do this to.Hypocritical I know but 9 times out of 10 it is the case.I'm fully aware I'm viewed the same way and it is the easy route to just kick me.
Plus with the elitism that came in with .9 onwards it got impossible to get into any squad apart from the (mandatory in every round) retard squad scattard across the map with a mix of important kits and always a vehicle of some sort....1 manned of course.

Glad you mentioned the guys who only play with those they know type players..They ruined PR with there circle jerk elitist 3man locked squads imo.
crokojot
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Re: Are mics required?

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No mic = no immersion. Bad player or not, mic doesnt change that.
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Yes...its nice to see a good players when they know what to do ....even bots reviving but some "good"players without a mic....they just know everything...and stilll....they can write everything on screen...pretty good...pretty good.....there is just one thing....in army-army doesnt take deaf people...why?
Trooper909
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Re: Are mics required?

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crokojot wrote:.in army-army doesnt take deaf people...why?
Jackson move over to the left flank!Jackson? JACKSON?................goddammit Jackson.
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Re: Are mics required?

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Well, I think this concludes the topic. OP surely had his question answered.
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