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I think you guys should make the choppers real hard, and realistic to fly. There real easy, so everyone wants one.

Have you ever tried flying a chopper IRL? I have, they're not as easy as pulling a lever up and twisting a "joystick". The way they are now is just fine.

vanity wrote:Half the population at this point doesn't know how to get the APC to drive forward.)

Straight to the point here - I don't actually wan't to play with people like that. They should go play Half-Life or GTA if they just want point and click action. If Project Reality is a REALISM MOD then a newbie should expect a learning curve...

It would be REALLY useful in my opinion if there was training required like in Americas Army. That way ignorant/lazy/stupid users would not be able to screw up the game for everyone. If you do not have the qualifications to drive a tank then you should not!

And lets not even talk about little-birds. How many times is it possible to flip them on take off...
And people, if you see some1 asking "How can I fly a helicopter?" then don't tell them - otherwise a squad-sized contingent will die.

if you see some1 asking "How can I fly a helicopter?"

The only possible answer is :
R T F M

'[-=IDSF=- wrote:SykloAG']Also, when will people start to understand that the HUD speed has nothing to do with reality? I've seen it explained in so many threads but people keep on asking about it. Really amazing.

Yes, the HUD speeds in-game are totally off the wall. I remember when there were talks about speeding tanks up to real life speed, so I added the speedometer to the tanks, and according to it they were already going above their max real life speed. Can't trust those speed values.

'[R-DEV wrote:KingofCamelot']Yes, the HUD speeds in-game are totally off the wall. I remember when there were talks about speeding tanks up to real life speed, so I added the speedometer to the tanks, and according to it they were already going above their max real life speed. Can't trust those speed values.

I think if people concentrated on the HUD more than looking out the cockpit we'd have fewer bad pilots.

DirtyHarry88 wrote:I think if people concentrated on the HUD more than looking out the cockpit we'd have fewer bad pilots.

Um no... 1st they have to wait for the warm up. That learning phase is still work in progress :d uh:

i think most of you believe that helicopters are like planes in the way you control them,Theyre not, a pilot could never fly a helicopter without one crucial pice of equipment, a computer, when the pilot pushes forward on the controls its not directly linked to the rotary blades it goes through a process of adjusting the blades and the speed.

a helicopter is extremely unbalanced, so needs continual adjusting by the computer, when you see helicopters hovering its not the pilot flying he has placed on geostationery GPS (so it moves with the earth) so he can walk about if he realy wants to. (Movies are very fake when it comes to choppers).

thejackalkernl wrote:i think most of you believe that helicopters are like planes in the way you control them,Theyre not, a pilot could never fly a helicopter without one crucial pice of equipment, a computer, when the pilot pushes forward on the controls its not directly linked to the rotary blades it goes through a process of adjusting the blades and the speed.

a helicopter is extremely unbalanced, so needs continual adjusting by the computer, when you see helicopters hovering its not the pilot flying he has placed on geostationery GPS (so it moves with the earth) so he can walk about if he realy wants to. (Movies are very fake when it comes to choppers).

OK. (breathes deeply, wishing he could smoke in the office).

1. Helicopters or planes do not *need* an onboard computer to fly unless the control-surfaces are fly-by-wire (i.e digital). Please explain helicopters existing in 1960 when the smallest computer that could be used for such a purpose would have filled a few rooms.
2. Hovering can be accomplished without GPS. if GPS was required for hovering, then no helicopter could have done so before July 17, 1995, when the GPS system deployment was completed.

thejackalkernl wrote:i think most of you believe that helicopters are like planes in the way you control them,Theyre not, a pilot could never fly a helicopter without one crucial pice of equipment, a computer, when the pilot pushes forward on the controls its not directly linked to the rotary blades it goes through a process of adjusting the blades and the speed.

a helicopter is extremely unbalanced, so needs continual adjusting by the computer, when you see helicopters hovering its not the pilot flying he has placed on geostationery GPS (so it moves with the earth) so he can walk about if he realy wants to. (Movies are very fake when it comes to choppers).

I know Syklo already replied but WTF? What else can you pull out of there?

Clypp wrote:What else can you pull out of there?

LOL.

oh G-d... (wipes the tears and sends a nearby religious dude to pray for thejackalkernl's soul). It will be ok - just no more you-tube/tv/wiki-pedia education/and/or/hallucinogenics.

'[-=IDSF=- wrote:SykloAG']OK. (breathes deeply, wishing he could smoke in the office).

1. Helicopters or planes do not *need* an onboard computer to fly unless the control-surfaces are fly-by-wire (i.e digital). Please explain helicopters existing in 1960 when the smallest computer that could be used for such a purpose would have filled a few rooms.
2. Hovering can be accomplished without GPS. if GPS was required for hovering, then no helicopter could have done so before July 17, 1995, when the GPS system deployment was completed.

so you believe that computers were invented in the 1960s, the first computer was invented in the 1940s in world war 2 to decifer german codes, plus GPs was invented in the 1970s by the us department of defense, but computers controled the flaps and the blades, plus the speed, and manages them all together, the very old helicopters which were made in 1942 were controled by humans but were subject to often crashes and only had the main rotary blade, then when the britsih made theirs they introduced a second blade Phew

thejackalkernl wrote:so you believe that computers were invented in the 1960s, the first computer was invented in the 1940s in world war 2 to decifer german codes, plus GPs was invented in the 1970s by the us department of defense, but computers controled the flaps and the blades, plus the speed, and manages them all together, the very old helicopters which were made in 1942 were controled by humans but were subject to often crashes and only had the main rotary blade, then when the britsih made theirs they introduced a second blade Phew

Dude. Im more than happy to have this learning discussion with you, assuming you are serious. Have you read much about rotary wing flight? Anyway, computers for flight control are only used in very sophisticated helicopters and then for autopilot duties. Some military machines use an auto altitude system to stabilize the hover to reduce the workload for the pilot in night/adverse conditions when deploying long range weapons. Generaly when you learn to fly, your mobile phone has more processing power than any helicopter you get into until you have the hours (and money) to start getting endorsed on big multi engine stuff.
90% of students start in a 2 seat Robinson R22 and that doesnt even have hydraulics..

thejackalkernl wrote:so you believe that computers were invented in the 1960s, the first computer was invented in the 1940s in world war 2 to decifer german codes, plus GPs was invented in the 1970s by the us department of defense, but computers controled the flaps and the blades, plus the speed, and manages them all together, the very old helicopters which were made in 1942 were controled by humans but were subject to often crashes and only had the main rotary blade, then when the britsih made theirs they introduced a second blade Phew

You sir...do not know what you're talking about.

I started in an R22, no computer systems/ GPS or any of that cr*p whatsoever, most instruments are operated by creating a suction so that the instruments keep working.

I'm pretty sure the little helicopters on MASH didn't have onboard computer assisted avionics.

I'm pretty sure the little helicopters on MASH didn't have onboard computer assisted avionics.

coincidentally, I was also thinking of those choppers. They are awesome.

Yeah, the Bell 47, which was featured in GTA:VC (named the "Sea sparrow")

What was the chopper in "Whirlybirds" then?

That was a Bell 47, wasn't it?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050077/

Yep, the Bell 47 aswell.