Miniguns... more 'mini' than 'guns'

youm0nt · Post by **youm0nt** » 2007-07-01 14:36

Strategist wrote:Most players have given up on the miniguns and treat the Blackhawk as a pure transport vehicle.

Symplify wrote:O.o I think they need to double the fire-rate

Hehe, then most players would treat the Blackhawk as a pure gunship vehicle if they double the rate of fire. Though, I would like to see that happen, probaly not possible on the engine

Bonsai · Post by **Bonsai** » 2007-07-01 15:05

youm0nt wrote:Hehe, then most players would treat the Blackhawk as a pure gunship vehicle if they double the rate of fire. Though, I would like to see that happen, probaly not possible on the engine

Blackhawks get killed very fast:

Anti Air (SA-7) - 2
Heavy Anti Tank - 1
Light Anti Tank - 2

Tank/Sabot - 1
Tank/Heat - 1

APC/Sabot - 10
APC/Heat - 20

So it won`t be a very good gunship?

Post by **Outlawz7** » 2007-07-01 15:09

You can down a BH/Cobra with SA7 by firing the missile into the tail or front. Worked for me...

Rambo Hunter · Post by **Rambo Hunter** » 2007-07-01 15:56

'[R-MOD wrote:Mongolian_dude']
$kelet0r wrote:I thought they were being replaced with gimpys as well - only a tiny fraction of UH60s have miniguns

"But in Bh Down!..."-The usual argument that fools people into know wtf they are on about. Yeah, you might be right there.
...mongol...
But in BH Down! it was the 160th SOAR, which is the small fraction of blackhawks with miniguns

G.Drew · Post by **G.Drew** » 2007-07-01 15:59

i think they need to do more damage to jeeps, u may aswell thro the f**king gun at it!

but not so much it'll wipe out everything and become 'the god of war' type gun

but it certainly needs to be able to annihhilate a vodnik

then again, yeh doubling the fire rate would be the best option, realistic rof + more damage

Post by **eggman** » 2007-07-01 16:19

'[R-DEV wrote:Katarn']I've been constantly hearing that the miniguns are going to be replaced by the M240's....who told you guys that?

me

Generally M240s are the weapon system equipped on Blackhawks. Afaik there is only one air unit that uses miniguns on Blackhawks, SOAR which is a special operations unit.

JDFryer · Post by **JDFryer** » 2007-07-01 16:24

Here is an idea.

1. Marine Corp Blackhawks don't use miniguns. Period. The end.

2. The other transport choppers can't hit sh*t in a cess pit. Giving the BH uber l337 miniguns seriously unbalances the game. Yes I know this is a reality mod and it should be close to life but I think maybe we should give the miniguns the firing ability of an M240. Yes it wouldn't be modelled but it would be realistic. It also would balance out the transport choppers.

I'm more interested in the game play side of things than how it looks as you can probably tell. If I wanted something to look at I would go to an art gallery. I want something I can play as true to life as possible.

Many Thanks to the PR team for what is an amazing mod. It is everything BF2 should have been from the start. Thank you

G.Drew · Post by **G.Drew** » 2007-07-01 16:28

his may be erelevant

my uncle visited my cousins RAF base a while ago (cousin flys chinook helocopters) and he was saying that there mounting miniguns on the side doors of there chinooks

my uncle said he actually saw them mounted on the doors

anything?

edit: just looked on the RAF website
http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/m134minigun.cfm

and heres a surprise
http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/m60dmachinegun.cfm

youm0nt · Post by **youm0nt** » 2007-07-01 16:29

G.Drew wrote:i think they need to do more damage to jeeps, u may aswell thro the f**king gun at it!

Yup, load up Proving Grounds and fire the minigun at a humvee. It takes forever to destroy them...

Battlepudel · Post by **Battlepudel** » 2007-07-01 16:44

Here you go.........would be really strange if the M240 would be more effective....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf9bCebm4aE

JDFryer · Post by **JDFryer** » 2007-07-01 16:56

Can I just point out that BH are not used to kill people. They are a utility chopper designed for transport. The M240 is there as a suppression weapon to secure the landing field and fire support for infantry on the ground but lets face it they dont just hang around doing orbits for the hell of it.

Note that there is an attack variant of the BH, the AH-60 to do this job, not to mention the cobra gunship

youm0nt · Post by **youm0nt** » 2007-07-01 17:03

Battlepudel wrote:Here you go.........would be really strange if the M240 would be more effective....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf9bCebm4aE

That'd be pretty cool if we can replicate those results in PR.

El_Vikingo · Post by **El_Vikingo** » 2007-07-01 17:03

Remember the times the BH was a flying fortress?

4 engies
2 gunners
1 pilot

capping flags without even getting out of hte chopper!

G.Drew · Post by **G.Drew** » 2007-07-01 17:20

ah those were the days.....
now that was a mutha of a gunship!

Battlepudel · Post by **Battlepudel** » 2007-07-01 17:21

El_Vikingo wrote:Remember the times the BH was a flying fortress?

4 engies
2 gunners
1 pilot

capping flags without even getting out of hte chopper!

Remember the old vBF2 days

1 pilot

capping flags without even having any other skill than being able to hover

G.Drew · Post by **G.Drew** » 2007-07-01 17:24

Battlepudel wrote:Here you go.........would be really strange if the M240 would be more effective....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf9bCebm4aE

youm0nt wrote:That'd be pretty cool if we can replicate those results in PR.

yes, if we could get that EXACT sound of the M134 + the double ROF then....we can only imagine the fun/pwnage/satisfaction of killing people with it

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2007-07-01 17:26

'[R-DEV wrote:eggman']Afaik there is only one air unit that uses miniguns on Blackhawks, SOAR which is a special operations unit.

In the Army the miniguns are most common in the 160th SOAR, but the USAF Pave Hawks (rescue squadrons, no longer AFSOC) use them too, as do Navy HH-60H and MH-60S CSAR/SWS helicopters.

JDFryer1 wrote:. Marine Corp Blackhawks don't use miniguns. Period. The end.

2. The other transport choppers can't hit sh*t in a cess pit. Giving the BH uber l337 miniguns seriously unbalances the game. Yes I know this is a reality mod and it should be close to life but I think maybe we should give the miniguns the firing ability of an M240. Yes it wouldn't be modelled but it would be realistic. It also would balance out the transport choppers.

Marine Corps Blackhawks don't use miniguns because Marine Corps Blackhawks are painted in a funny green color and only used to transport members of the US executive branch and special guests.

Marine UH-1s use miniguns quite frequently, though. As for the other transport helicopters, consider yourself lucky that EA/DICE had the "arm everything" mentality and armed the Z-8, which I have never seen with a door gun and cannot carry rockets.

Increasing the rate of fire to a realistic level would not be possible, as the max ROF in the game engine is 1800 rpm, and the game f*cks up the least when rates of fire are set to factors of that number (200, 300, 600, 900).

Apheirox · Post by **Apheirox** » 2007-07-01 17:36

Somebody needs to know what they are talking about before posting... http://youtube.com/watch?v=-Tv9831kOxc

Apheirox · Post by **Apheirox** » 2007-07-01 17:41

Stop moving at full speed, dude. You would not do that in any other vehicle, why try it in the Blackhawk?

El_Vikingo · Post by **El_Vikingo** » 2007-07-01 17:42

Strategist wrote:Somebody needs to know what they are talking about before posting... http://youtube.com/watch?v=-Tv9831kOxc

When an Rdev talks about these things, I'd think their info is more accurate, because they are the ones researching all this to get it right in their mod, not someone who's just seen BHD with Josh Harnett.