Miniguns... more 'mini' than 'guns'

Apheirox · Post by **Apheirox** » 2007-07-01 06:50

Are any changes planned for miniguns in final 0.6? They really need a hand!

Most players have given up on the miniguns and treat the Blackhawk as a pure transport vehicle. They mainly use the guns for annoying the pilot by firing for absolutely no reason. This is a pity - I doubt anybody is not dreaming about mowing down infantry with those mighty guns. I know how to lead targets, factoring in both ping, bullet speed and bullet drop so I am a great Blackhawk gunner. With a good pilot who keeps the chopper steady (rare) instead of going at maximum velocity while constantly changing directions, I can make the Blackhawk a somewhat effective weapon but nothing like what I think it should be. The miniguns need to be much more lethal, especially now that choppers are much more vulnerable to .50 cal and even small arms fire. A squad with no .50 support, no handheld AA and no AT caught in the open (think Jabal hills) should get totally creamed by a Blackhawk.

[DVB] TRIggS · Post by **[DVB] TRIggS** » 2007-07-01 06:55

Eventually I thought they would remove them and put in M240s.

Apheirox · Post by **Apheirox** » 2007-07-01 07:01

Yeah, I suppose that would be the right thing to do... I do love miniguns though. I would not mind keeping them.

I suppose changing to M240's would actually boost their effectiveness, crazy as that may seem.

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2007-07-01 07:06

I'm wondering why the bullets explode.

Apheirox · Post by **Apheirox** » 2007-07-01 07:11

To simulate thousands of rounds per minute. Problem is there is not enough splash damage.

Post by **Katarn** » 2007-07-01 07:34

I've been constantly hearing that the miniguns are going to be replaced by the M240's....who told you guys that?

Zybon · Post by **Zybon** » 2007-07-01 07:39

Does anyone remember the OLD miniguns in vanilla BF2? How realistic were those? They basically annihilated everything in the area you pointed at.

Desertfox · Post by **Desertfox** » 2007-07-01 07:51

Zybon wrote:Does anyone remember the OLD miniguns in vanilla BF2? How realistic were those? They basically annihilated everything in the area you pointed at.

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*Takes a deep breath*
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
*Takes another deep breath*
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH

*ahem* yeah those were anything but realistic

And yeah with ^^ I got bored

kristofer · Post by **kristofer** » 2007-07-01 08:22

'[R-DEV wrote:Katarn']I've been constantly hearing that the miniguns are going to be replaced by the M240's....who told you guys that?

A few people were saying it in this thread.

'Zybon' wrote:Does anyone remember the OLD miniguns in vanilla BF2? How realistic were those? They basically annihilated everything in the area you pointed at.

True, but I think that's what Strat is trying to get at - making it more powerful and therefore realistic.

$kelet0r · Post by **$kelet0r** » 2007-07-01 09:34

I thought they were being replaced with gimpys as well - only a tiny fraction of UH60s have miniguns

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-07-01 09:49

'[R-DEV wrote:Katarn']I've been constantly hearing that the miniguns are going to be replaced by the M240's....who told you guys that?

Eh, it was probubly me. I heard it from a Dev (sorry, can remember which one) a few months back. Though from what I heard it wont be happening for a very, very long time (like v1.5 or something) because it would require a new model of the BH which is low priority ATM.

.:iGi:.BLACKWIRE · Post by **.:iGi:.BLACKWIRE** » 2007-07-01 10:12

I used to love gunning on BHs in Vanilla before it got nerfed.

Post by **Outlawz7** » 2007-07-01 10:39

I actually got killed by a minigun on 0.607, Jabal, but thats because no one fired at the Blackhawk, while it cruised 50 Kmph around West beach :/

(tard cmdr liked driving his 1337 truck and didnt build AA :evil

Longbow* · Post by Longbow* » 2007-07-01 10:40

BLACKWIRE wrote:I used to love gunning on BHs in Vanilla before it got nerfed.

Though MEC definitely needed Tunguska on Mashtuur then , for balance issues

JaxxTheVixen · Post by **JaxxTheVixen** » 2007-07-01 11:21

Mashtuur is as unbalanced as it could be.

Post by **Mongolian_dude** » 2007-07-01 11:45

'[R-DEV wrote:Katarn']I've been constantly hearing that the miniguns are going to be replaced by the M240's....who told you guys that?

W00T11!
Newe model!!

$kelet0r wrote:I thought they were being replaced with gimpys as well - only a tiny fraction of UH60s have miniguns

"But in Bh Down!..."-The usual argument that fools people into know wtf they are on about. Yeah, you might be right there.

Im sure you all seen this:http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tv9831kOxc
A thousand times, but i get the feeling that the Minis in PR are rly quite underpowered in the sense that even some direct hits do not kill. Too many times i seen a guy running across jabal and having blood puff out from him a mingun, for him to go prone, pull out a dressing and carry on.

Also, from this vid i think it would take not many shots to completely ruin a heavy jeep with about a 4second spray.

...mongol...

DirtyHarry88 · Post by **DirtyHarry88** » 2007-07-01 13:42

Christ, less than a 4 second spray.

Mr.Nicklebe · Post by **Mr.Nicklebe** » 2007-07-01 13:59

I rarely find use for them asside from firing aimlessly to pass the time whilst going around the map.

HOWEVER for once i managed to find use for it. We were assaulting a flag on the map with the dam, completely forgotten the name. Anyway we couldnt land as the flag was over run and we had tried the 'lets land in the hills aproach'. So me being squad leader instruct the pilot to fly circles around the flag whilst everyone in the chopper lets rip with miniguns, SAWs and what ever else.

I killed 5 of them and supressed the rest so i could get my squad on the ground.

Its not that the guns are useless its more likely you have a useless pilot and no communication.

Symplify · Post by **Symplify** » 2007-07-01 14:21

O.o I think they need to double the fire-rate