New Faction -- Chinese Rebels

[CAS_117]

What is with all of these "rebel/militia" side suggestions? We already have insurgents and militia. There that should do it for you. I seriously feel my face fall when I have to take my high powered assault rifle and kill some stupid militia or insurgent. Its like being an adult and playing pewee football; if you win, so what? If you lose you really suck. I just press escape on those maps.

[PRC_Heavy_Z]

Not a fan of this idea but I don't find it exactly offensive. I am a bit concerned that if this faction is put into the game, and attract enough attention the Internet Police might over-react and block the Chinese PR community.

If you and Bob really want to create such faction, may I suggest you guys at least name it a terrorist group or something other than a separatist/deserting faction and give them weaponry that wouldn't suggest they are ex-PLA (EX. don't give them the qbz95 or pf89, give them rpg or qbz81/56).

Finally in terms of realism, People in China are actually fairly content with their government (other than the internet blocking part ), it’s not like we are living under a brutal dictatorship. Therefore the only citizens that probably would rebel are the Falun Gong Cultists, homosexuals, and sadists (which means they’d be ill equipped with no military training).

I liked your other idea better...

[swiftdraw]

Wasn't there a Taiwan faction made a few months earlier? How about guerrilla's supported by them or thats what the Taiwanese military has been reduced too after a pro-lounge conflict with China?

[PRC_Heavy_Z]

Taiwan faction? You serious??

[Ironcomatose]

I just think its silly to suggest any new faction at this point. The DEVs have way to much work to do right now on fixing some of the things that are messed up in .6 for the patch and then god knows what leading to .7. There are already a few community projects going on and none of them are done or are even close to being 100% done afaik. And worse yet this faction doesn't seem to bring much to the table other than maybe some news maps or something.

Thats just my 2 cents.

[azn_chopsticks_boi]

i really dont c how PLA can have rebels....not trying 2 put down ur ideas but i feel like the PLA and MEC r getting ganged up on since PLA and MEC r the really Armed Forces unlike the insurgents and militia

[swiftdraw]

Taiwan faction? You serious??

Well it was suggested I do believe.

[77SiCaRiO77]

someone was making a map called taipen , supostly its a PLA vs taiwan , is more like a comunity project .

[TF6049]

They should have Vietnam-era US/GB equipment. After 9/11, one of the 1st things the US did was go to warlords who had the common enemy of Osama Bin Laden and said, "if you give us intel we will give you cash/weapons/medicine/etc...".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Islamic_Front_for_the_Salvation_of_Afghanistan

[Bob_Marley]

Taiwan faction? You serious??

Yah, Griffon 2-6 is making a map called "Taipei" and an RoC faction to go with it.

Anyway, I think EG wanted to do a faction like this because he wanted a "new" faction, different to the current ones that could recycle as much as possible from whats already in PR.

I'm sure he'd rather do the North Koreans or something, but then there would be the large problem of the voices, because he would have to find a voice actor who speaks fluent Korean (or whatever other language the faction might speak if it were different) making the project much harder.

Also, he seems to want a lightly equipped force rather than the large, organised and heavily armed style force that the actual Chinese malitia would be.

In short

[Cherni]

PR is gonna be like 10 GB if we keep adding more and more factions!!!!

[lonelyjew]

Great idea. I think it's more than possible for a rebellion to start in China if a huge war broke out. This is further made realistic because if we went to war with China it would be more than likely that we would try to help facilitate a rebellion with what support we could.

I generally like the kit layouts but here are some minor changes:

Scout
*Knife
*Type 56 Carbine (SKS) [1+3]
*Smoke [2]
*Binocs
*Bandage
*Grappling Hook

Reason for change: I just seems fitting and adds to the use of the class, without it nobody would really choose to be scout.

Rebel
*Knife
*Type 56 Assault Rifle (AK-47) [1+3]
*Fragmentation Grenades [4]
*Bandage

Reason for change: This class just seemed overly strong for "just" a rebel.

Worker
*Knife
*Type 56 Carbine (SKS) [1+3]
*Smoke Grenades [2]
*Shovel
*Ammo Bag
*Wrench
*Bandage

Reason for change: Lets face it, a worker is hardly skilled enough to deal with explosives. These should be the guys who play more of a support role feeding ammo, repairing, and building bunkers.

Sapper
*Knife
*Type 85 Sub Machine Gun [1+2] or NORINCO 98 shotgun
*Explosives (not as powerful as C4, more powerful than SLAM)
*Landmines (AP and AT...hmm)
*Bandages

Reason for change: Just a name and weapon change and removal of certain things to balance the class out.

Medic
*Knife
*Type 85 Sub Machine Gun [1+2]
*Medic Bag (Maybe just a **** load of bandages?)
*Smoke [2]

Reason for change: Just a weapons change for appropriateness/balance

Sniper
*Knife
*QSZ-92 Pistol [1+2]
*Mosin-Nagant Bolt Action with Scope [1+3]
*Binoculars
*Bandage

Marksman
*Knife
*Scoped Type 56 Carbine [1+3]
*Binoculars
*Bandage

Reason for change: I just don't see why a sniper or marksmen(someone who's very valuable and often alone) wouldn't have a bandage.

I seriously doubt a deserting faction would be as well armed as the people's militia since the militia gets its arms from a "warehouse" system controlled mostly by the government and its very hard to own arms in China, also in the time of war any deserter from the PLA will be kill immediately so there probably wouldn't be much ex-pla ppl

That's easy enough to explain, an allied backed rebellion would probably not have too much trouble raiding a warehouse of weapons and supplies.

Not a fan of this idea but I don't find it exactly offensive. I am a bit concerned that if this faction is put into the game, and attract enough attention the Internet Police might over-react and block the Chinese PR community.

I don't think PR should be intimidated by Chinese censorship or any other censorship for the matter. This is the Project Reality Mod not Politically Correct Mod.

Finally in terms of realism, People in China are actually fairly content with their government (other than the internet blocking part ), it’s not like we are living under a brutal dictatorship. Therefore the only citizens that probably would rebel are the Falun Gong Cultists, homosexuals, and sadists (which means they’d be ill equipped with no military training).

Right, everyone is peachy with China's government

[Expendable Grunt]

Yeah bob got it right on the head. It would be nice to do NK and all, or hell even SK, but I wanted to make a force that when you pick a class, you don't scroll through all these goodies -- you see a knife, a rifle, and a frag.

And I'm tired of sand maps...


Well, I'm going to post a poll, and see which would be better. I AM a bit concerned that China's Internet Police will block them out of the game, which I wouldn't want, as Heavy is a pretty cool guy (who's English is great!).


EDIT: Lonelyjew, thanks for the feedback. I had considered a sapper class to break it down a bit.

[Bob_Marley]

Notes on weapon choices:

1. Scoped Type-56 Carines - No. There is no military scope or mount for the SKS/Type-56C rifle. Unrealistic. Give them the Chinese SVD copy.

2. Type-85 SMG - Apparently comparitivly rare in the Chinese armed forces, as such would be comparitivly rare in any rebel faction armed with nicked PLA/PAP weapons. Type-56ARs would be much more common, I know everyone's getting tired of AKs, but realistically there wouldn't be many Type-85s around.

3. RPD's (Type-56 SAW) feed from 100-round belt-drums, not 75 round conventional drums like the RPK.

4. The PF89 is new and shiny, the rebels should have the Type-69 (RPG copy) as thats almost certainly the weapon in malitia storehouses across China, and weapons/ammo would be easier to aquire from outside sources.

5. Theres no such thing as a Type-56 GPMG. You want the Type-67.

6. Dump the QSZ-92 as soon as resonably possible. Its very new and AFIK hasn't even reached all of the PLA yet. Would be better off with a 7.62x25mm pistol like the Type-77 or Type-54 (TT copy), especially if you're going to be using the Type-85.

7. Switch out the officer's QBZ-95 for something else, AK series, Type-81 or something western. They're reserved for the better units in the PLA/PAP and are unlikely to fall into rebel hands in substantial enough numbers to equip every officer.

[lonelyjew]

Notes on weapon choices:
2. Type-85 SMG - Apparently comparitivly rare in the Chinese armed forces, as such would be comparitivly rare in any rebel faction armed with nicked PLA/PAP weapons. Type-56ARs would be much more common, I know everyone's getting tired of AKs, but realistically there wouldn't be many Type-85s around.

They're used by Chinese police forces though and that could make them more easy to access. I would have said put in the type 79 but why model a whole new gun when there is one that's already available. Even if it's not the most realistic thing they would be available to some extent and, in my view, would help balance the classes.

[77SiCaRiO77]

Right, everyone is peachy with China's government

and we all now that this picture is from yesterday

[PRC_Heavy_Z]

Lonely Jew... Love how people like you can't get over Tian An Men Massacre, yes the event occured and numerous innocent people were killed, but the government have changed. It is not the oppressive government it is portrayed by the media. And what evidence do you have that the average day Chinese people HATE the Chinese government? Have you actually lived in China, spoken to a Chinese resident? or are you just pulling random **** from the air?

BTW, The "Warehouse" System I was talking about is a system of armouries where the weapons are checked onto the inventory and transfered constantly to other undisclosed armouries, so it would be very hard to track down. Also, most people in China aren't too "peachy" about America's foreign policy, so if they invade China, we world be more pissed off at the invaders rather than our own government.

In the end, is it possible to have a Chinese rebellion... maybe... but the possiblity of that happening IRL is even lower than the possibility of people like you realizing the Tian An Men Tragedy was the China of the past, and China has changed for the better.

[Expendable Grunt]

Notes on weapon choices:

1. Scoped Type-56 Carines - No. There is no military scope or mount for the SKS/Type-56C rifle. Unrealistic. Give them the Chinese SVD copy.

Will do.

Notes on weapon choices:
2. Type-85 SMG - Apparently comparitivly rare in the Chinese armed forces, as such would be comparitivly rare in any rebel faction armed with nicked PLA/PAP weapons. Type-56ARs would be much more common, I know everyone's getting tired of AKs, but realistically there wouldn't be many Type-85s around.

Yeah that's why I didn't include it. SMG's are rare in general I've heard...

Notes on weapon choices:
3. RPD's (Type-56 SAW) feed from 100-round belt-drums, not 75 round conventional drums like the RPK.

Yeah what about it?

Notes on weapon choices:
4. The PF89 is new and shiny, the rebels should have the Type-69 (RPG copy) as thats almost certainly the weapon in malitia storehouses across China, and weapons/ammo would be easier to aquire from outside sources.

Fair enough I guess.

Notes on weapon choices:
5. Theres no such thing as a Type-56 GPMG. You want the Type-67.

This one: http://www.world.guns.ru/machine/mg42-e.htm

If I said Type 56 that's a typo.

Notes on weapon choices:
6. Dump the QSZ-92 as soon as resonably possible. Its very new and AFIK hasn't even reached all of the PLA yet. Would be better off with a 7.62x25mm pistol like the Type-77 or Type-54 (TT copy), especially if you're going to be using the Type-85.

Yeah, I wasn't sure what sort of pistol would be good.

Notes on weapon choices:
7. Switch out the officer's QBZ-95 for something else, AK series, Type-81 or something western. They're reserved for the better units in the PLA/PAP and are unlikely to fall into rebel hands in substantial enough numbers to equip every officer.

Why would you drop the QBZ-95 for a Type-56?

[G.Drew]

I don't think PR should be intimidated by Chinese censorship or any other censorship for the matter. This is the Project Reality Mod not Politically Correct Mod.

pwnage

[ReaperMAC]

For the Rebellion!!!