Scoped Rifles, Ammo and General Mechanics

[FISHMAN69]

So PR's strive for cover/suppresive fire was a complete waste? Good to know

cover/suppressive isnt working like it should in PR right now.

but like i said if u do it with assault rifles u will run out of ammo so quickly that u must be sure to get to a resupply spot with that action or u will find yourself only with your knife,its all or nothin thats why its not convenient to do.

[VipersGhost]

OK dude here's an interview with a the Srgt. Major of the Marine corp stating that

"Although he didn't rule out future use of the XM8, the M-16A4 with the mounted advanced combat optical gunsite, commonly called "ACOG," will be the issued weapon for most forward-deployed Marines. Marines engaged in close-quarter combat will operate with the M4 rifle, said Gen. Hagee."

So now you say that us going with what the Major said is wrong...hmmm, I think I'll take his opinion. Remember PR = near future.

Reference - http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/001836.html

Secondly YES 300 rnds is completely normal for a soldier to have in a combat situation which is EVERY PR MAP WE HAVE. Maybe dudes on some random patrol don't have it all but NO WHERE in PR do we have that situation.

You were incorrect the first time you said it was "Silly" for a marine to have 270 rnds, and you still are incorrect on that. Adjusting your argument to try and appear correct is "silly"...just say "Ok, I was wrong on that it's fine".

The funny thing is that you think that you know more than the Dev's and the countless military guys on here AND the military advisor team. "270 rnds" is not silly and neither is having a bunch of guys with scopes on the front lines of battle in PR's Near-Future war setting. Sure it's not perfect but as far as complaints you are totally barking up the wrong tree as there are FAR more important things to deal with than your unresearched and incorrect opinion.

[OkitaMakoto]

cover/suppressive isnt working like it should in PR right now.

but like i said if u do it with assault rifles u will run out of ammo so quickly that u must be sure to get to a resupply spot with that action or u will find yourself only with your knife,its all or nothin thats why its not convenient to do.

I'm thrilled at the suppression improvements in .7. Sure its not perfect, but it's getting there, imho.

Ammo for assault rifles? I havent had a problem, even when I pump rounds down rang for cover, suppression, enjoyment, etc. And if you DO run out of ammo, chances are that a squaddie was downed, or an enemy was downed SOMEWHERE along the line, so keep your ammo count in mind and switch kits if you have to

Oh, and I agree with the above poster

[FISHMAN69]

OK dude here's an interview with a the Srgt. Major of the Marine corp stating that

"Although he didn't rule out future use of the XM8, the M-16A4 with the mounted advanced combat optical gunsite, commonly called "ACOG," will be the issued weapon for most forward-deployed Marines. Marines engaged in close-quarter combat will operate with the M4 rifle, said Gen. Hagee."

So now you say that us going with what the Major said is wrong...hmmm, I think I'll take his opinion. Remember PR = near future.

Reference - http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/001836.html

Secondly YES 300 rnds is completely normal for a soldier to have in a combat situation which is EVERY PR MAP WE HAVE. Maybe dudes on some random patrol don't have it all but NO WHERE in PR do we have that situation.

You were incorrect the first time you said it was "Silly" for a marine to have 270 rnds, and you still are incorrect on that. Adjusting your argument to try and appear correct is "silly"...just say "Ok, I was wrong on that it's fine".

The funny thing is that you think that you know more than the Dev's and the countless military guys on here AND the military advisor team. "270 rnds" is not silly and neither is having a bunch of guys with scopes on the front lines of battle in PR's Near-Future war setting. Sure it's not perfect but as far as complaints you are totally barking up the wrong tree as there are FAR more important things to deal with than your unresearched and incorrect opinion.

so u really believe that in an upcoming war riflemen run around with nightvision,scopes,gprs,sunglasses and knee/elbow protection right?

the link that u gave me is talking about iraq and like i said before iraq is not a real war.
maybe u should ask your grandfather how much rounds he had when he was in the second world war.

btw u cant prove me wrong cause no real war is going on but believe me when it happens nobody will carry 8 clips for his assault rifle.

removing clips is only for the sake of teamwork and i dont see any reason why such a suggestion is not important.

[FISHMAN69]

I'm thrilled at the suppression improvements in .7. Sure its not perfect, but it's getting there, imho.

Ammo for assault rifles? I havent had a problem, even when I pump rounds down rang for cover, suppression, enjoyment, etc. And if you DO run out of ammo, chances are that a squaddie was downed, or an enemy was downed SOMEWHERE along the line, so keep your ammo count in mind and switch kits if you have to

Oh, and I agree with the above poster

i dont know if u being sarcastic know but the problem is that as rifleman with scope u dont run out of ammo=self sufficient=no teamwork.

[OkitaMakoto]

I was just repsonding to your mention of using suppressive fire and running out of ammo. I see how that could potentially be a problem, and I also agree on lonewolfing ACOG users. I think you might have just mixed up my responses, or I did, either way...

Lonewolfing, ammo having ACOG guys = bad
teamplay suppressive fire using ACOG (and iron) = good

And that wasnt sarcasm

[Bigp66]

so u really believe that in an upcoming war riflemen run around with nightvision,scopes,gprs,sunglasses and knee/elbow protection right?

the link that u gave me is talking about iraq and like i said before iraq is not a real war.
maybe u should ask your grandfather how much rounds he had when he was in the second world war.

btw u cant prove me wrong cause no real war is going on but believe me when it happens nobody will carry 8 clips for his assault rifle.

removing clips is only for the sake of teamwork and i dont see any reason why such a suggestion is not important.

wow..........your dumb........yes people will carry 8 mags for there rifle

[FISHMAN69]

wow..........your dumb........yes people will carry 8 mags for there rifle

wow u are dumb.......prove me wrong.


u cant....


so the question is,will removing some clips improve teamwork?

...yes.

[Eddie Baker]

wow u are dumb.......prove me wrong.


u cant....

Fishman, the minimum basic load per US regs for the M16 series rifle is 210 rounds; 7 magazines (1 in the well, 6 in the webbing). If you notice, this is how many magazines are carried by the combat engineers and medics. On a patrol or assault (for example, every every map scenario in PR) infantrymen will carry more magazines. We have received advice from bona fide active duty and recently ETS'ed combat arms personnel about these very things, many of whom have posted this information on these forums for you to view, if you search for them.

Now, until you can prove yourself correct, and for some reason I doubt you can, I advise you to read more and post less.

[VipersGhost]

[FISHMAN69]

Eddie Baker;572216']Fishman, the minimum basic load per US regs for the M16 series rifle is 210 rounds; 7 magazines (1 in the well, 6 in the webbing). If you notice, this is how many magazines are carried by the combat engineers and medics. On a patrol or assault (for example, every every map scenario in PR) infantrymen will carry more magazines. We have received advice from bona fide active duty and recently ETS'ed combat arms personnel about these very things, many of whom have posted this information on these forums for you to view, if you search for them.

Now, until you can prove yourself correct, and for some reason I doubt you can, I advise you to read more and post less.

i dont think many of u guys realized that in PR most maps are ww3 scenarios.
so nobody could ever say anything about it until it happens.
i cant prove u wrong and u cant prove me wrong.

i dont wanna discuss about this cause there is no point.

the thing that i want to discuss is removing some clips from the riflemen to increase teamwork,and maybe restricting the scoped assault rifles.

[USMC_Cook]

so u really believe that in an upcoming war riflemen run around with nightvision,scopes,gprs,sunglasses and knee/elbow protection right?

the link that u gave me is talking about iraq and like i said before iraq is not a real war.
maybe u should ask your grandfather how much rounds he had when he was in the second world war.

btw u cant prove me wrong cause no real war is going on but believe me when it happens nobody will carry 8 clips for his assault rifle.

removing clips is only for the sake of teamwork and i dont see any reason why such a suggestion is not important.

Wow! You're an idiot. So you're telling me that when I was assaulting Fallujah back in November, 2004, I wasn't in a real war? That's funny, because it seemed pretty real to me. I'm glad you cleared that up for me. I guess the fact that I carried 11+1 mags of 5.56 wasn't real either? I carried 12 mags of 5.56 (not even my primary weapon), and that's on top of the 120rds of match grade 7.62x51 and 60 9mm. And you know what...I had an ACOG (and everyone else in my platoon) on my A4, and I had a an pvs 18 (NVG monocle) and raptor nightscope for my 40, along with numerous other pieces of equipment. I guess that I just dreamed up that night vision while I was fighting my fake war.

You obviously have no idea what the hell you're talking about. I don't think I've ever known anyone that carried less than 8 mags. You want to make the argument that a soldier wouldn't carry that many rounds on a drawn out patrol? Well, you're wrong again--I know; I'm shocked too. If you need to lighten your load, the last things to go are the radio and the ammo. You can reference Afghanistan for proof of this. My buddy is over there right now, and he carries ten mags. You claim that soldiers (or Marines, if you prefer) don't use a4's to suppress? Well they do, and it's a pretty well accepted SOP. Then you bring up WW2? I mean really!

I've never seen anyone try to speak with such authority on a subject and be completely wrong on all points. When it comes to "real wars," or any wars for that matter, you should just keep your mouth shut. Even if you were a Vietnam vet, I would still have to call you a complete idiot after reading your posts.

Now, if your talking about what would be good for PR, that's your opinion and you're completely entitled to it(I want a mix of fun, as well as reality). But don't start citing what you perceive to be reality in an attempt to help your argument. You don't have a clue about modern combat. You can read Soldier of Fortune all day, but that doesn't make you any kind of authority. I'm sorry, but I really can't stand guys like you.

[Dunehunter]

Fishman, please stop telling active military people that they're wrong about how much ammunition they carry. And for the record, this isn't always about WW3. Al Basrah is pretty much happening right now, and the MEC could just be Syria or Iran, which, if a war broke out, would also be near future.

[VipersGhost]

Wow! You're an idiot. So you're telling me that when I was assaulting Fallujah back in November, 2004, I wasn't in a real war? That's funny, because it seemed pretty real to me. I'm glad you cleared that up for me. I guess the fact that I carried 11+1 mags of 5.56 wasn't real either? I carried 12 mags of 5.56 (not even my primary weapon), and that's on top of the 120rds of match grade 7.62x51 and 60 9mm. And you know what...I had an ACOG (and everyone else in my platoon) on my A4, and I had a an pvs 18 (NVG monocle) and raptor nightscope for my 40, along with numerous other pieces of equipment. I guess that I just dreamed up that night vision while I was fighting my fake war.

You obviously have no idea what the hell you're talking about. I don't think I've ever known anyone that carried less than 8 mags. You want to make the argument that a soldier wouldn't carry that many rounds on a drawn out patrol? Well, you're wrong again--I know; I'm shocked too. If you need to lighten your load, the last things to go are the radio and the ammo. You can reference Afghanistan for proof of this. My buddy is over there right now, and he carries ten mags. You claim that soldiers (or Marines, if you prefer) don't use a4's to suppress? Well they do, and it's a pretty well accepted SOP. Then you bring up WW2? I mean really!

I've never seen anyone try to speak with such authority on a subject and be completely wrong on all points. When it comes to "real wars," or any wars for that matter, you should just keep your mouth shut. Even if you were a Vietnam vet, I would still have to call you a complete idiot after reading your posts.

Now, if your talking about what would be good for PR, that's your opinion and you're completely entitled to it(I want a mix of fun, as well as reality). But don't start citing what you perceive to be reality in an attempt to help your argument. You don't have a clue about modern combat. You can read Soldier of Fortune all day, but that doesn't make you any kind of authority. I'm sorry, but I really can't stand guys like you.

Ahahahah...Fishman you watch your language! lol I tried to tell you but nooooo...you insist on looking like a dumbass over and over again. Go ahead and back pedal out of this one. Change your arguement so you can appear right and salvage your ego. You can have a fine opinion and be right/wrong but it's stupid to argue over something you have no idea what you're talking about.

[nedlands1]

i dont think many of u guys realized that in PR most maps are ww3 scenarios.
so nobody could ever say anything about it until it happens.
i cant prove u wrong and u cant prove me wrong.

i dont wanna discuss about this cause there is no point.

the thing that i want to discuss is removing some clips from the riflemen to increase teamwork,and maybe restricting the scoped assault rifles.

Okay dude, the only weapon in this game that uses clips is the SKS which uses stripper clips. Stop referring to conventional magazines as "clips".

[BloodBane611]

Okay, we will remove 3/4 of the clips from all forces. But the magazines stay. Happy?

lol mate. Nice one.

For the record, even people training for standard home protection in the US train using 4-8 magazines in chest mag pouches. So saying a soldier would use less is pretty dumb. Especially when people who have a bloody clue disagree.

[Gyberg]

This thread was fun reading thanks to Fishman...

[FISHMAN69]

u can continue to insult me if u have fun but maybe someday u will understand that insulting ppl only cause they have another opinion is not very productive.

now read carefully what im typing here cause i dont think anybody did understand it.

1.fighting insurgents or terrorists is not called WAR.

2.if u would use your head u would realize that giving every riflemen 270
rounds when millions of them get deployed is economically and logistically impossible for every country on this planet today.

3.lets talk about the USA.a country who cant stop a handful of
third-world-terrorists flying with slow airliners into a major city and destroying the world-trade-center.

thats a hell of a world power isnt it?

u really think that the USA can handle a world war if they cant even handle some terrorists?
so stop talking about US standards.
the US aint a threat.

think twice before u reply some irrelevant bs.

see u in hell

[Gyberg]

Fishman69, please state what kind of military training you've got and how long you have served and where you have been deployed. And please state your age aswell, because right now, I have a hard time taking you seriously.

I have military training and I am not from the US but I know that going on patrol with less than 8 mags is not a likely scenario.

If I have understood you right you say that the US (or any country) wouldn't afford to produce that ammount of ammunition incase of a 3rd WW scenario. However any nation would mobilise in that kind of scenario and the whole industry would start producing equipment and ammunition for war. So the levels of ammunition produce in a 3rd WW scenario would several times higher than today.