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J10 is fine, i can land it.

Too bad we can't always have Qinling rounds with you in the cockpit, Tomato.

A vehicle in BF2, especially PR, has to be idiot-proof - this is hard to achieve, so we'll settle with idiot-resistant - to be successful. Sadly, none fails at being idiot-resistant more than the J-10.

In clearer language, it has to be easy to fly to be of real value to a public server. The J-10 is so ludicrously hard to excel at and land properly that it loses its usefulness in the hands of the average shmo inhabiting your nearest public server.

'[R-DEV wrote:Rhino;654395']Eurofighter Technology and Performance

the J-10 is a single engine, pretty old aircraft now.

OLD????

the J10 only entered service in 2005, and its maiden flight was in 1998, its younger than the EF2000 FFS!

how could you possibly get something so wrong??

the J10 is china's first indigenous and most advanced fighter, with a top speed of mach 2.2, fly-by-wire, made of composite materials and future models to have thrust vectoring. for now its at least comparable to the F16 and serves a fighter bomber role.

i thought the J10 sucked just because it was low priority but Rhino's statement was pure ignorance, i am very dissapointed.

fludblud wrote:OLD????

the J10 only entered service in 2005, and its maiden flight was in 1998, its younger than the EF2000 FFS!

how could you possibly get something so wrong?? its at least comparable to the F16 and its said to be as manuverable as an F18 (doubt it) and serves a fighter bomber role.

i thought the J10 sucked just because it was low priority but Rhino's statement was pure ignorance, i am very dissapointed.

Um we're being pretty accommodating right now. We made an error. Yay. You won the argument, and we are fixing it. I don't get paid for this, I don't even get much in the way of references, so please make this worth the trouble ok?

Sirsolo wrote:Dont say Im a bad pilot. I'm actually pretty good at landing, taking off, and manouvering (Sure, I crash more then most, but I've been flying for 2 days..) And here's what I've noticed:

The J-10 sucks. (period)

well you forgot one thing...........YOU SUCK!!!!!!

obviously you dont have the finess that a PR pilot does(like me, Im not saying that im "UBRER COOL" or "1337" but im a d@mn good pilot!)
(and a mediocre foot soldier, just saying, that im not 1337, ive got to suck at something, and when I join the Marines, hopefully I get into flight training, and that i get a job there, id probably die first in foot combat)

But ya, the proble is that you are what I call a "nilla nub" you said that you have been flying for 2 days correct??? Im not saying thay you are a nub, im saying that you havnt properlyy adjusted, the Typhoon is more into a speedy takeoff and a fast landing.... the Chengdu is slower, the takeoff is much slower....the landing... needs to be much faster than the Typhoons.

I call you a "nilla nub" because, you are used to every jet flying the same speed, having the same gun, and the same exact missiles(bombs are same too). Meanwhile, in PR, different jets, different weapons(cannon size mainly) and the jets have different maunverability(ness??)

anyways, you dont really suck, but you arent used to the awesome-ish-ness-mess of PR and the superior realistic-ness that is the modd-ess

loch-ness-ness

'[=TC= wrote:nuetron;654941']well you forgot one thing...........YOU SUCK!!!!!!

obviously you dont have the finess that a PR pilot does(like me, Im not saying that im "UBRER COOL" or "1337" but im a d@mn good pilot!)
(and a mediocre foot soldier, just saying, that im not 1337, ive got to suck at something, and when I join the Marines, hopefully I get into flight training, and that i get a job there, id probably die first in foot combat)

But ya, the proble is that you are what I call a "nilla nub" you said that you have been flying for 2 days correct??? Im not saying thay you are a nub, im saying that you havnt properlyy adjusted, the Typhoon is more into a speedy takeoff and a fast landing.... the Chengdu is slower, the takeoff is much slower....the landing... needs to be much faster than the Typhoons.

I call you a "nilla nub" because, you are used to every jet flying the same speed, having the same gun, and the same exact missiles(bombs are same too). Meanwhile, in PR, different jets, different weapons(cannon size mainly) and the jets have different maunverability(ness??)

anyways, you dont really suck, but you arent used to the awesome-ish-ness-mess of PR and the superior realistic-ness that is the modd-ess

loch-ness-ness

You sir, need to make sense. I didnt fly jets in vanilla. (Couldn't get near the damn things) Also, when you're arguing with someone, dont contradict yourself: 'you are what I call a "nilla nub"' vs. 'Im not saying thay you are a nub' Make up your mind, or your arguement is worth nothing. Ever written an essay before? You'd get a 2-3/6 on it.

And I've practiced with the J-10. I dont expect them to fly the same, but I expect them to not fall out of the sky at 800 UOS. If I go faster then that, it BOUNCES off the runway instead.

You make smart kids cry.

~Sirsolo

Clone the Euro fighter with a j10 chassis for now then give the J10 some character later.

screw the J-10, SU-27 Flanker FTW (single seat one for those who arnt too sharp on russian aircraft names).



To quote from my book "Fighter!" printed in 2004:

"China has become the biggest operator of the 'flanker' outside russia"

"although the chinese have been working on various indigeous fighter projects since 1992" (J-10) "they have bought 74 Su-27s and 80 Su-30MKKs, and have undertaken licence production of the Su-27 as the Shenyang J-11. At least 75 J-11s are thought to have been locally to date." that would be more now as the book is 4 years old.

I think it would be awesome to have the Su-27 ingame as, as shown above it is used in china with at 250 examples+ in service, also this will make air to air more balanced with the typhoon as the Su-27 is a better fighter than the J-10.

Boycott the J-10 bring on the flanker!

Also if the russian forces community mod has made one than we already have a modelk, if not if someone teaches me how i will happily make one!

SuperTimo wrote:Boycott the J-10 bring on the flanker!

you make it then.

as i said at the bottom if someone gives me hand ill gladly make on just at the moment all i can make on Gmax is some doughnuts, mmmm.

turnpipe wrote:Clone the Euro fighter with a j10 chassis for now then give the J10 some character later.

oddly enough, this setup is probably a more realistic interpretation of the two aircraft than the huge unbalance that plagues qinling now.

both planes share the delta canard design so handling should at least be similar with the J-10 having a disadvantage being a heavier fighter. however, should the J-10 be equipped with thrust vectoring engines in the near future (russians already built one, application pending) expect the difference to be reduced or even reversed.

contrary to whats been said here, the J-10 with afterburners has the same max speed as the EF2000 but lacks the ability to supercruise, something that could be looked into and certainly should eliminate it's the horrendous takeoff tendencies

the J-10 is also a multirole fighterbomber and can be equipped with laser guided bombs, air to ground missiles and rocket pods so giving it ground attack capabilities should at least be considered especially on a tank map like qinling.

and finally the J-10 is NOT OLD, i dont know where the idea came from but the J-10 was commissioned in 2005 making it younger than the EF2000 (2003) and it can easily hold its own against most 3rd or even 4th gen fighters today, if the plane did suck, why is china building 300 of them seeing the amount of flankers they already have?

dont mean to sound like a whiner but it is clear the devs havent been doing their homework in this area and simply assumed the J-10 was some cheap old chinese thing waiting to get pwned by their fancy new EF2000.

J-10 Multirole Fighter Aircraft - SinoDefence.com
Chengdu J-10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Air Force Technology - J-10 (Jian 10) – Vigorous Dragon Multi-Role Tactical Fighter

turnpipe wrote:Clone the Euro fighter with a j10 chassis for now then give the J10 some character later.

it really, really dont work like that...

what about all the flaps? what about all the effects, like wing tip, engine etc effects? what about the player seating? what about the HUD/Menu icons? what about weapons? what about basically everything, you would screw up more doing that then leaving it as it is.

ok flud deep breaths now.

in...

and out...

its going to be fixed.

in...

and out...

the air here is so polluted you really dont want to take deep breaths

UNLESS YOU WERE TRYING TO KILL ME!! AAAARRRGGHHHHHHH *explodes*

Yes that is alot of code changing.
Here is some thing simpler.
I got more comfortable landing when I increased both torque settings in the air_j10.tweak file.

ObjectTemplate.setTorque 60 to 100
ObjectTemplate.setTorque 187 to 250

scream in at flight speed as soon as u are down press E ok u die but the plane is safe

turnpipe wrote:Yes that is alot of code changing.
Here is some thing simpler.
I got more comfortable landing when I increased both torque settings in the air_j10.tweak file.

ObjectTemplate.setTorque 60 to 100
ObjectTemplate.setTorque 187 to 250

Congratulations.

why not.... not fly??

It just pisses me off seeing people in pilot kits waiting for a jet which will spawn in 10 mins!! whats the point!! gah

(INF ALL THE WAY)

but seriously, that does annoy me, but i have to agree with DEVs, this aint the most important thing, for the amount of time it will take. I would love to see a real marksman gun for the brits, rather than an LSW(Light Support Weapon) but hey, im no complainer. I'll stick with it and grit my teeth as i know the DEVs are doing something which i for one couldnt do in a million years! So what i'm really saying is dont bug the DEVs to do something which will benefit you, why not let them do something which will benefit the whole mod. E.g I would much prefer to see Sangin up and running than the J-10 to be a bit better!!

Also think about RL situations, and the fact that they have made a game, which is a ton better than vBF2 and didnt even get payed!!

End of joyous rant

Grill my post all you want

TheScot666 wrote:why not.... not fly??

It just pisses me off seeing people in pilot kits waiting for a jet which will spawn in 10 mins!! whats the point!! gah

(INF ALL THE WAY)

but seriously, that does annoy me, but i have to agree with DEVs, this aint the most important thing, for the amount of time it will take. I would love to see a real marksman gun for the brits, rather than an LSW(Light Support Weapon) but hey, im no complainer. I'll stick with it and grit my teeth as i know the DEVs are doing something which i for one couldnt do in a million years! So what i'm really saying is dont bug the DEVs to do something which will benefit you, why not let them do something which will benefit the whole mod. E.g I would much prefer to see Sangin up and running than the J-10 to be a bit better!!

Also think about RL situations, and the fact that they have made a game, which is a ton better than vBF2 and didnt even get payed!!

End of joyous rant

Grill my post all you want

"Grill my post all you want "-Kay.

Go make your own forum about the LSW so people can tell you that you'd be wrong to change it. The marksman "kit" (more like role) In real life is someone who can see and scout farther then their squad. (It's a squad position) With that said, the weapons that they use are, and should always be, just an altered version of the standard rifle. Ex. M16A1(Bleh) to the M14.

"Inf all the way"- Till a tank comes. Then, respawn 4 times at your RP with LAT kits and take the tank down OR get your (most of the time) idiot(maybe too cruel) squad leader to LASER THE THING and call for CAS, in which case, your hated Jet Pilots come (after waiting the 10 min of course) and blow it up leaving it to wonder "Omg, they musta had 6 LATs with them!". Win


But hurray to my suggestion getting Dev support! Fix that damn thing! Give it real wings! >.<

Thanksies

~Sirsolo

dude i dont hate fighter pilots, i hate people who stand waiting for a jet which will come in 10 mins or whatever, there is no point, especially if its a 1 seater, there will be a scramble and then you are left with 2 or 3 people at the base hoping to do sweet f all.

Sorry for the Marksman thing, just thought Marksman and Light Support(support being what confused me) weapon, wouldnt go, but i should trust devs!

so you got the wrong end of the stick in my post my friend, im not saying that pilots are bad, im just saying that its not the most important thing in the whole mod, as it would only benefit the people who want to fly jets(and be useful, not talking about the nubs who just fly a jet straight into the side of a runway!) whereas there are things which the devs could be focusing on which would benefit the whole mod! e.g sangin, op barracuda, another jet for you guys(Tornado) and so on rather than fix the J-10 which is on one map i think and only used by a comparatively small amount of people who play PR.

And you have a very skewed view of how infantry works, you wouldnt believe the amount of tanks on Qingling that a squad of 6 capable people has taken down