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Legal or not, camping the enemy main is a cheesey tactic.
Camping w/ an AAV is a supernoobnilla tactic.
It is very effective if done correctly but it depends on the other team's assumptions about base defense.

Baserape is mostly seen as being the spawn area of infantry and vehicles, and the possible compound around them. Depending on server camping the exits can be seen as baserape as well. Ramp in muttrah is one of 2 possible exits and in all honestly, I think its totally dickhead move to mine it.

RedAlertSF wrote:Shooting into main, targeting infantry or vehicles. It's rape. JDAM/arty/mortars into main base in the worst kind of baserape. I hate it.

But what about copters and jets? If enemy AAV is 500m away from the main, the jets can't really take off or land, but the AAV is not shooting into base. Is this still baserape? I think it is if AAV's team can't capture the base.

It would be baserape if the pilot got into jet, heard the beep and KABOOOM he goes up in the air... if "airspace" isnt clear, then its pilots decision to take off or not...

Sorry but mining one of only two exits near the MEC main in Muttrah is in my eyes base raping. Did your team even infiltrate deep into the city before you did that (2 flags left to cap)? Or did you make it your own lone wolf mission to plant mines and C4 without helping your team cap the city first?

Kasp

baserape for me =

1) firing in to the enemy main without provokation
2) c4ing or mining within 175m of the enemy main

I do not count baserape for INS and Tali maps, as that is a clear and present threat IRL.

in conventional maps I hate baserape for 2 reasons 1) spawning players have no defence, 2) it degrades teamwork

regarding 2) its more fun to have 32 vs 32 guys fighting over a flag rather than 16 vs 28 because half the team is basraping the enemy main, I've seen it happen and I hate it.

I'd rather have an intense game where the focus is on teamwork and tactics, where the asymmetry of the teams comes in with full force,

also, there is sportsmanship to consider.

Cheditor wrote:Tbh i think if the main base isnt attackable any form of attack near it, i.e what OP did is base rape. People use the excuse "their fault for not overwatching their main" well ok gonna go back to the old 32 person argument, you have 32 people you generally need all of that to make attacks, have 3 at main doing a really boring job waiting for 1 person who may not even come to lay mines is just silly idea. Because people were having fun attacking objectives is no way to justify attacking a main. Also i think base rape and base camping is the same, if the main is an uncap or not at the cap position, you shouldnt be nowhere near it.

This ^^ I'm sorry It's not clever or smart and any idiot can do it. One of the great things in PR is working hard for your kills not constantly looking for the cheap and easy way to take things out.
It spoils the gameplay and the round in general if people do this.

You want to mine and c4 around the city in Muttrah, do it in South City. In our server you go up to that ramp which is the only way out of MEC main and start minng/c4ing it thats baserape. Shooting into it, denying exit from it *especially the cases where theres only one way out*, even passing by too close we will warn and then kick for baserape. Not to be within 1 grid of enemy mains period unless it is cappable *or if your on Insurgency, then have at it*

Though it hasnt happened against server rules I am not a fan of Jets taking off on spawn and immediatly rushing to the other main to catch another jet from behind mere moments after it takes off. Happened to me on Silent Eagle, I took off in the Mig, got to 1500 meters and suddenly got locked on and destroyed seconds later. Pissed me off greatly, but because by then i was technically away from the main all i could do was *****.

base rape is attacking an enemy main in a way that normally you wouldn't be able to. If you were a pilot during war time in an area, you couldn't just fly over to the enemy airstrip and bomb it because nobody manned the AA.
in RL, Anti Aircraft would always be manned, patrols would exist and all sorts of electronics would be monitoring the area.

When Insurgents creep up to the enemy main, thats base rape to me, can you imagine insurgents crawling up to kandahar airfield?

'= wrote:H[=ElvishKnight;1271055']You want to mine and c4 around the city in Muttrah, do it in South City. In our server you go up to that ramp which is the only way out of MEC main and start minng/c4ing it thats baserape. Shooting into it, denying exit from it *especially the cases where theres only one way out*, even passing by too close we will warn and then kick for baserape. Not to be within 1 grid of enemy mains period unless it is cappable *or if your on Insurgency, then have at it*

Though it hasnt happened against server rules I am not a fan of Jets taking off on spawn and immediatly rushing to the other main to catch another jet from behind mere moments after it takes off. Happened to me on Silent Eagle, I took off in the Mig, got to 1500 meters and suddenly got locked on and destroyed seconds later. Pissed me off greatly, but because by then i was technically away from the main all i could do was *****.

I have a friend who got banned permanetly on his first offense for mining the exit to MEC main on muttrah city on your server. Real bull shit admin abuse if you ask me.

stealth420 wrote:I have a friend who got banned permanetly on his first offense for mining the exit to MEC main on muttrah city on your server. Real bull shit admin abuse if you ask me.

not the place for here sorry, some admins are more lenient than others, Ive seen Coeman ban squads just for being too close to enemy mains. Have problems it goes to our site, not here.

no such thing as base rape to me. if you managed to setup a good position outside of my base and are delivering effective fire on my team, i applaud you. i will hate you too but that's just part of the game. this is Project Reality after all and i feel that if a team is smart enough to separate a small outfit from the main unit to hold off enemy reinforcements and are successful in doing so, they deserve every advantage that it comes with. it is a legitimate strategy which if not done properly can have huge consequences for the assaulting group/s

I agree with elvish.
Though I have been banned from your servers 2 or 3 times before you settled on one deffinition for base rape. Also I think the admin has since left.
But I digress

blockading a main in my opinion is base rape. Mines to tanks an blockade is the same as base rape.
Shooting down a jet as it takes off or lands is border line base rape.
A sniper shooting into main is border line base rape. The sniper can only do so much damage to the enemy team and if he wants to waste his time istead of spoting troop movements and fobs that's his problem.

I'll add my 2 cents,

Im quite invested in the #Eagle server which is changing name to #BDM quite soon.

2days ago on silent eagle, i ended up having to switch teams, change squad, to find out that all the flaming in the chat was because a russian tunguska was squatting our main. It took me less then 5 minutes to get an at4, run up the hill on the aa's right flank and down it.

We deliberatly run a mainbase attack rule. In the means that, cutting off supplies, and disorganising the other team can be quite helpful. Gaining 5 mn while they try to take out a sniper is the time you need to establish a fire base... On the other hand id like to point the difference between mainbase attacks and baserape...

We use the assumption that the dome of death is there for all places you shouldn't go. But obviously abuse requests a an admins decision.

My point is that most of the time people just cry and whine about it, which takes them longer then fighting back. I have never been in real combat irl but i do beleive that enemys do not put flags and markers where they will attack you and it is interesting to portray that in game.

edit : +1 on CnC sirex, but having tryed, unless multiple clans and good SL's on both side it ends up depopulating the server.

Dalek wrote:...
I have never been in real combat irl but i do beleive that enemys do not put flags and markers where they will attack you and it is interesting to portray that in game.

*Wink* Which is why more server should run the updated C&C mode!*Wink*

Dalek wrote:We deliberatly run a mainbase attack rule. In the means that, cutting off supplies, and disorganising the other team can be quite helpful

Like you said there is a difference, but that can be achieved easily without actually being that close to the main.

A tunguska camping an airfield is blatant rape.. the only protection for jets against it is height and you wont even be able to take off.

I think if the server rules allow it then it is OK because most mains have built in defenses, but if you are camping outside a main on a server that doesn't allow main base attack it is different.
Besides, if the server allows it, it should be called base seduction since you consented to it by joining the server.

Baserape = ... Spawn killing ... Setting traps in a min spawn area where people usuialy walk and ambush / Nade trap / nade frag the area. Not allowing any momentum from the enemy team to mobilize.. being a DBAG and ending the round with everyone mad at you

It all comes down to integrity. Do you have any and are you exercising it? The golden rule! You will never catch me baseraping; in any form.

@dalek: is that the server's full name? cause i think i wanna start playing on that server. some servers are so anal about baserape (no pun intended) that they dont even allow ambush on main roads which lead directly FROM a main.

@callousDisregard: LOL base seduction! these maps arn't old enough to give consent yet! you can base seduce all you want when they hit PR2

Im not sure i want to transform this thread into advertising for such and such server. you do have enought to find it, and my profile can help.

I must admit that few players know the difference between the art of disruption and baserape. I've had quite a few cases of blatant abuse.

The only good way is CnC in the end, might put some serious thinking into it again...